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wondering if any body has come across any records for joseph?
he is the father of edith maud coe/dearsley and the mother is Elizabeth Dearsley.
havent found a marriage for them or on the census
dob 6/nov/1884
many thanks in advance

Could this be Edith Maud?
1891 census
Blue Anchor Cottages, West Tilsbury, Essex
George Dearsley, head, 55, ag lab, born Suffolk,
Mary Ann, wife, 64, born Suffolk, Handon
Samuel, son, 27, ag lab, born Suffolk, Stradshall
***Edith Maud, grandau, 6, born "

Hi do you know where he was born

was it Joseph Coe who was born 6 Nov 1884

or was it Edith Maud?

If not, when was Edith Maud born? And where?


How do you know that these are the parents of Edith Maud?




sylvia

For reference..

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Coe Edith Maud Risbridge 4a 610



Risbridge seems to be on the Suffolk /Cambridge borders


Nicky

But nicky


I'm reading the header message as the dob of birth being for Joseph Syer Coe because of its placing after the statement that he ahd not found the marriage or on census


he is the father of edith maud coe/dearsley and the mother is Elizabeth Dearsley.
havent found a marriage for them or on the census
dob 6/nov/1884



That's why I asked for clarification




or am I just being stupid??









sylvia

No Sylvia...certainly not stupid......I just put Ediths Mauds birth reference to clarify that it seems Paul meant Edith Mauds DOB was Novemebr 1884 and not Joseph Syer Coe...

Yes your correct he is looking for info on Joseph Syer Coe.. { I can`t find him on freeBMD between 1837 and 1930!!}

Just thought if we worked with what we do know it can sometimes lead to the missing people...... can`t find elizabeth dearsley either...Think your 1891 census entry is the correct Edith Maud

I have the 1881 here...but no sign of Eizabeth...



DEARSLEY, George Head Married M 46 1835 Farm Labourer
Barnidiston
Suffolk VIEW
DEARSLEY, Mary Ann Wife Married F 49 1832
Hundon
Suffolk VIEW
DEARSLEY, Jesse Son Single M 12 1869
Stradishall
Suffolk VIEW
DEARSLEY, Samuel Son Single M 12 1869
Stradishall
Suffolk VIEW
MARKIN, Charlotte Relative Widow F 73 1808
Hundon
Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1823 Folio:
25 Page:
21

Registration District:
Risbridge Sub District:
Wickhambrook EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Little Bradley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Dearsley Road, Little Bradley County:
Suffolk



Nicky

Hi,

Elizabeth was born in 1859. In 1881 she is in Chesterton Cambs. In 1889 she marries Mr Webb.


No signs of Joseph Coe around her at these dates.


Dee x

i am so sorry for not having laid it out better, hope the following helps

ok edith maud is my mother in laws grandmother. i was looking for her under the name of dearsley, however it turns out from the copy of her birth certificate that the mother was Elizabeth coe formally dearsley. after her birth there is no record of edith maud coe only edith maud dearsley.
joseph syer coe is the father mention on the birth cert.
i can find no record of marriage for coe and dearsley
Elizabeth did go on to marry arthur william webb

Hi Paul,

did Ediths birth certificate have an occupation on it for Joseph? Does it also give an address at the time of her birth?

Dee x

joseph was a railway labourer, but no address

Hi Paul,

Elizabeth in 1881 was in Chesterton, so I'm just popping this here until I've digged deeper;

1881 England Census
about Joseph Coe
Name: Joseph Coe
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Cherryhinton, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Cherryhinton
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: High Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Railway Lab.

Registration district: Chesterton
Sub-registration district: Fulbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Coe 55
Susan Coe 54
Isaac Coe 22
Josiah Coe 20
Jane Coe 12


Dee x

Paul,

on that 1881 census for Coe there is a son Josiah.......... I wonder if that's her father??? If you say Josiah slower it sounds like... Jo.. Syer???


Dee x

Here he is 10 years later;

1891 England Census
about Josiah Coe
Name: Josiah Coe
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Sawston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Sawston
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: RAILWAY LABOURER!!!!

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Linton
Sub-registration district: Duxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Josiah Coe 28
Ann Coe 25
Matilda Coe 5
Lizzie Coe 3


Dee x

so this is the marriage for Josiah Coe and Anne....only a year after Edith Mauds birth..



Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Coe Josiah Linton 3b 1085
Dockerill Charles Linton 3b 1085
FARRINGTON Anne Linton 3b 1085
Gunnin Ellen Linton 3b 1085

Wonder wether the mariage cert. mentiones "previous marriage"??..........got a feeling he and Elizabeth may not have been married....


Nicky

Nicky,

what do you think of my theory with Josiah? Joseph Syer is soooo close to Josiah don't you think??


Dee x

Can't speak for Nicky,but I think it's a VERY good possibility,Dee.

Maureen

Thanks Maureen.

I suppose Paul will never know for sure, but at least now he was a possible theory?

I wonder if the father paid a maintenance for Edith? Seems strange that he would be named on the birth cert and yet plays no sign of her upbringing?


Dee x

Hi Dee and Maureen........Pretty sure your on the right track with Josiah/Joseph Syer, which is why I put up the marriage to Anne in 1885.

If you put just Joseph Syer in to freebmd with no surname you only get about 6 results....with none of the surnames remotely like Coe.........so think its just been written wrong for the birth cert. Wonder why they said they were married? if as it seems ,they wern`t, the fact Josiah married a year later, and Elizabeth not long after proves neither of them was widowed, and divorce very unlikely.....

Nicky

Hi Nicky,


I can't understand why they never married either, maybe the Coe side wanted him to marry Anne, but then surely Elizabeths father would have had a say there???


Very strange...... that's why I wondered if there might be a maintenance order against Josiah?


Dee x