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Seems like the whole of my mum's side were like that, my nan married three times !

You're welcome,Nadia. Those multiple marriages sure didn't help things!!
Good luck,
Maureen

Thank you Maureen, this really looks like I am going down the right line. I have added everything, it is all making sense now, Nadia

Do that.
Just before I forget:
Name: Sarah Bird widow
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Spouse Name: James William Edwards
Spouse Age: 43
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1861
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Joseph Osborn Middleditch Occ:Printer
Spouse Father Name: James Edwards


Maureen

Thank you for all your help, I will have a good look at this in a short while. I vaguely remember looking at this census myself before. I'll let you know what I make of it.
Nadia

O.K. I think I see where James comes in (I hope). It's her stepfather's name,I bet.
Remember the 1851 I pointed out where Thomas Bird had married Sarah (widow) Banks? Well,it looks like Sarah has re-married and Mary Ann is under Banks and then Edwards:
1861
Name: Mary Ann Banks
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End New Town
Civil parish: Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Household schedule number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
James Edwards 42 Occ:Bricklayer
Sarah Edwards 46
Eliza Banks 19
James Banks 12
Mary Ann Banks 10
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 272; Folio: 107; Page: 8

1871 Ancestry
Name: Mary Ann Edwards
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel
Civil parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members:
Name Age
James Edwards 52
Sarah Edwards 56
James Edwards 22
Mary Ann Edwards 20
Elizabeth Lloyd 14
John Lloyd 12
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 523; Folio: 29; Page: 19

Just my take on it,anyway!

Maureen

I have all the childrens birth certificates.

Sorry had a long phone call. Arthur was with his older brother John William at Forest Gate District School in 1901. His other brother George was living with elder sister Sarah and her husband Robert Phelps in 1901. Yes have Arthurs birth cert parents George Hutton potman and Mary Ann Hutton formerly Bird. Mary Ann Elizabeth Bird appears on three of the childrens baptism records but not on the others. Likewise George Hutton potman appears on his son George Albert Hutton and his wife Lucy Timson's marriage cert as George Albert Hutton deceased potman. I think that is an error by the vicar but it cannot be wrong for Mary Ann Elizabeth on 3 baptism records. I also have that 1911 census at 117 Keith Road, Barking. So I have gathered lots from her marriage onwards but not before that.
Nadia

Well,it looks like the same family to me. You do have Arthur's birth certificate??

On the Hutton marriage certificate no one could sign their own names,so if a mistake was made it's possible nobody would have realised. (hence James instead of Thomas) I guess the only thing that bothers me is that she didn't use "Elizabeth" anywhere.

Where was Arthur in 1901,by the way?

A few bits:
Name: Marianne Elizabeth Bird
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Feb 1854
Father's Name: Thomas Bird
Mother's Name: Sarah Bird
Parish: St Mark, Goodman's Fields
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Born Feb.1,1851

RG11 piece 451 folio 63 page 33




1881 census transcription details for: 14, Stutfield St, St George In The East

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 451 Folio: 63 Page: 33


Reg. District: St George in the East Sub District: St Mary
Parish: St George in the East Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 14, Stutfield St, St George In The East
County: Middlesex

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
HUTTON, George Head Married M 28 1853 Labourer(General)
Liverpool
Lancashire
HUTTON, Mary Wife Married F 30 1851 Bonnet Maker
1 Eye Blind St Geo E Mile End Old Town
Middlesex
HUTTON, Sarah Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
St George in the East
Middlesex
HUTTON, Ada Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
St George in the East
Middlesex
HUTTON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 2 1879 Scholar
St George in the East
Middlesex
HUTTON, George Son Single M 0 1881
St George in the East
Middlesex




1911 census transcription details for: 117 Keith Road Barking Essex
RG14PN9926 RG78PN522 RD191 SD3 ED16 SN192


Reg. District: Romford Sub District: Barking Town
Parish: Barking Enum. District: 16
Address: 117 Keith Road Barking Essex
County: Essex

PHELPS, Robert Head Married
16 years M 39 1872 Carman London Poplar
PHELPS, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 34 1877 Dressmaker London Poplar
PHELPS, Mabel Annie Daughter Single F 15 1896 London Poplar
HUTTON, William Walter Br In Law Single M 28 1883 Soldier London Poplar
HUTTON, Arthur Victor Br In Law Single M 21 1890 Coppersmith Labourer London Poplar
HUTTON, Edward Philip Br In Law Single M 16 1895 Upholsterers Assistant London Poplar


Maureen

I didn't even realise I did that, force of habit when I send e-mails and letters.

Yes, all those are the correct records, I don't understand if they are right, is Mary's dad James or Thomas ? It's driving me mad, I must have brought nearly every birth record for Mary Ann or Mary Ann Elizabeth Bird to no avail.

is this the marriage you refer to in 1874???.


Name: George Hutton
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Bird
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Feb 1874
Parish: St Paul, Westminster Bridge Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Hutton
Spouse Father Name: James Bird<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

richard

Yes this is the family, Arthur is my Grandad. I just need help finding Mary's parents. I have looked so hard I just cannot make head and tail of it all. I am working on Ancestry. I did correct the names on that census.

finally, is this the 1901 cencus you refer to???.

Name: Alice Henderson>>>>carpenter
[Alexander Henderson]
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Where born: Norway

Civil parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 306
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Henderson 51
Mary Henderson 50
William Hatton 19
Mabel Hatton 10
Edward Hatton 7


richard

Posting Census records for ref.

1891 - So, is this the Mary Ann you are researching please?

Name: Mary Ann Kutton
[Mary Ann Hutton]
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, London, England
[St Geo Mile End Old Town]

Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Kutton 39
Mary Ann Kutton 39
Sarah Kutton 16
Alice Kutton 14
Elizabeth Kutton 12
George Kutton 26
William Kutton 7
John Kutton 3
Arthur Kutton 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 332; Folio 116; Page 33; GSU roll: 6095442.



Yes, I see it is from the corrections on Ancestry.

Birth County
St Geo Mile End Old Town rather than London
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by nadiarogers on 08/08/2009
SurnameHutton rather than Kutton
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by nadiarogers on 08/08/2009

Name: Thomas Bird widower Occ:Bricklayer
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Sarah Banks widow
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 May 1850
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Bird Occ:Brewer's Lab
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Middleditch Occ:Copper plate Printer
Witnesses were Samuel and Eliza Herbert

1851 Ancestry
Name: Mary Ann Eliz Bird
Age: 1 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End New Town, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i

Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bird 50 Occ:Bricklayer born Hampshire
Sarah Bird 36
Mary Ann Eliz Bird 1 Mo
Elizabeth Banks 12
Eliza Banks 9
James John Banks 3
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1544; Folio: 295; Page: 18;


Maureen

Nadia

Really not a good idea to display your email addy on this site.

GB

Do you think this is the same Mary Ann Bird as on the 1901 census ?

Name: Elling Anderson>>>shipwright
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Elizabeth Hutton>>>WIDOW
Spouse Age: 49
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Nov 1900
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Christian Anderson>>>farmer
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Bird>>>builder


richard

Mary Ann Elizabeth Bird 1851. Married George Hutton 1874 Southwark. Her father on marriage record James Bird a labourer. George Hutton died in 1896. I have found Mary on 1901 census married to an Alec Henderson living with three of her children. I have confirmed the census is right by obtaining Mabel Hutton's birth record. The children are my mothers aunts & uncles. I wondered if someone who had access to Lon Eng Mar & Banns could look at a marriage record for Elling Anderson and Mary Ann Elizabeth Hutton in 1900 her father being Thomas Bird a bricklayer. Can you compare this marriage record with the 1901 Limehouse census. I need to find a birth record for Mary and her parents because I cannot go back any further. I keep looking at this and also found a marriage record for a Thomas Bird and Mary Purks which I am convinced are her parents.
Hope someone can help me.
Nadia [email protected]