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Well done.

Hi all,
Quick update!
As we suspected there were no parents on Richard and Eliza's marriage certificate, except Thomas Savage, Eliza's father.
Still on my quest for Richard's parents, I asked a very kind person on the BHForum to search all the Worralls, pearl button makers in the trade directories , i've a lovely list of names; lots of searching and checking to do now. They are there to see for interested Worralls and the kind people who helped me on this thread.
Best regards
Lu

Thanks to all of you for this advise,
The Birmingham Forum does look very interesting, I will be reading all the instructions before I post anything on it!!
If anyone in the future reads this who has an interest in any Birmingham Worralls please contact me directly, by PM.
Best regards
Lulibell %))

I use find my past for census returns. I just used search terms for WORRALL
residence Birmingham.

also try
WORR*ll
WORR*L
W*R*L

Thought you could post a query on the birmingham forum.

Also try rootschat as they have occupation boards and area boards.

Ladykira
I couldn't find Samuel and family on GR 1851 census search, where did you find it?
Perhaps I'll try another name to search.
Thanks for all your help to day.
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Ladykira
I couldn't find Samuel and family on GR 1851 census search, where did you find it?
Perhaps I'll try another name to search.
Thanks for all your help to day.
%))

I've just registered , I'm sure with such a strong Brummy ancestry i'll make good use of this tip,; may even get to speak to Prof Carl Chinn!
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Yes, Ladykira,good idea
I tried a B'ham 1818 trade directory , I think googling found it a few days ago,no worralls making buttons though. i also saw a youtube demo of pearl button making.two years ago there was a news story of how this trade was to become extinct as only one craftsman left.
I went to the above link and found a forum but couldn't find anything connected.Not sure if looking well?!
Did you know there is some interesting stuff about Brum on www.bham.de?
Many thanks %))

Try this

http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=26

It is good to learn about other near matches so that when you come across a record it is easier for you to eliminate or not. So good to talk and help each other out.

Just looking at a selection of Worrals in Birmingham reveal a variety of button linled professions so maybe some googlin is a good idea. He employed people so maybe in a trade directory.You may find a history of button makers in your local history library.

Oh , thanks Mary ,
I'll check Thomas this may be 'a possible father' that needs checking out and I'll contact with the tree owner, if its the one I think it is!(We both got different Richard's of very close ages.)
(You guys are too quick for me with your ideas,i'm really grateful for your help.
Lulibell
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That is wonderful, all of you,Ladykira,Astra,Batman's Daughter,
(Sorry I was just forced to have a cuppa with a friend who can find her ancestry simply by googling, slightly annoying , but I've taught her everything i know, not much and she insisted she told me all about it!)
I'm much clearer how I shall go about searching now..
I'll try all of those leads and tips.
You've helped me in may ways.
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Keep this on file as I suspect a possible link.

1851 census - household transcription
Person: WORRALL, Elizabeth
Address: 4, 7 House, John Street Court, Birmingham

DEVONPORT, Thomas Head Married M 46 1805 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, Lucy Wife Married F 40 1811
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, James Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Bresh Maker
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Pin Carder
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, John Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Brass Maker
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, George Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Brass Maker
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, William Son M 11 1840 Brass Caster
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, Sarha Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Birmingham VIEW
DEVONPORT, Joseph Son M 2 1849
Birmingham VIEW
WORRALL, Elizabeth Widow F 67 1784
Birmingham

A possible clue where to look?

There are not many Worrals born in Birmingham 1851 and most would be to young to be his parents.

This family however may be related. if not his parents then maybe uncle. certainly worth a look.

1851 census - household transcription
Person: WORRALL, Ann
Address: 143, Bradford Street, Aston, Deritend And Bordersley Ward, Birmingham
WORRALL, Samuel Head Married M 48 1803 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Ann Wife Married F 45 1806
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, ?atharine Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Pearl Button Carder
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Samuel Son M 15 1836 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, John Son M 13 1838 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Thomas Son M 11 1840 Pearl Button Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Henry Son M 9 1842 At Home
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Frederick Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Peter Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Thomas Son M 3 1848 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, Joseph Son M 2 1849 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WORRALL, James Son M 0 (4 MOS) 1851
Birmingham
Warwickshire

Thanks to you both!
That's it then best get a marriage cert or may send Dad off to see the parish records in Aston , they will still be there wont they?
I'll let you know how I get on.
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Tree on Ancestry has Richard son of Thomas 1795 Birmingham and Ann.

They also had jane 1816 and Thomas henry 1818.

Maryb

From the IGI;

JANE WORRALL Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: EDWARD SMITH Family
Marriage: 23 MAR 1845 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick, England


Dee x

Thanks Astra
I don't think I 've looked well enough or thought it was the marriage of the other Richard Worrall (1821)!
I'm still a bit of a novice and flit between branches of my tree so not as systematic as I should be.
Very kind of you, that should help.

Hi Lulibell,

have you also considered ordering Jane Worralls marriage cert? She was alittle older than Richard.......... so maybe she may have remembered more if they lost their parents when Richard was little???


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1845 (>99%)
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Boden William Aston 16 238
Boys Jane Aston 16 238
Dangerfield Ellen Aston 16 238
HIPKINS Lydia Aston 16 238
Holding John Aston 16 238
Hood George Aston 16 238
SMITH Edmund Aston 16 238
>>>>>>>>>Worrall Jane Aston 16 238





Dee x

Have you looked at all possible marriages?

Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)
BEECH Frederick King's Norton 18 515
BENNETT John Kings Norton 18 515
GREENHILL Sarah King's Norton 18 515
Hemmings Mary Kings Norton 18 515
JENKINS Hannah Kings Norton 18 515
MARTIN David King's Norton 18 515
>>SAVAGE Eliza King's Norton 18 515
>>WORRALL Richard Kings Norton 18 515