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thank you am going to have alook now for the children of john and margaret , and for there marriage will let you know if i find anything
kind regards
melody.x

With regards to the 1861 census....yes I think that is the same John. Originally, I thought the occupation looked like Callcenter....did they have them in those days?! lol. But when I've looked at it again I think it says 'Carpenter employs 8 men'.

Yes, I think it is the same John & Margaret in the 1871 census. Eleanor Kitchen born Kirkby Stephens is listed as widow and daughter she is a dressmaker. John Kitchen, I believe, is Eleanor's son even though it says he is a lodger; his occupation is Plumber. You will also note he was born in Rochdale so I think this might be Eleanor's marriage
Marriages Dec 1844
HUTCHINSON Eleanor Rochdale 21 567
KITCHEN Charles Rochdale 21 567

So looks like perhaps another sister of Williams

For the record this is the entry I found in the 1841 census

Name: Margaret Hutchinson
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Gender: Female
Where born: Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Kirkby Stephen
Hundred: East
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Hutchinson 47 (the image says John....poor writing again!) occ Carpenter
Margaret Hutchinson 48
Wm Hutchinson 25
Agnes Hutchinson 19

hi, so far i have just been able to find the birth for william 19/11/1815
and christening for agnes 02/12/1821
poss marriage for agnes richard slee 11/05/1843
found eleanor too christening 25/07/1819
i wonder wgere eleanor is in the 1841 census? could it be over 2 pages?