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1881 England Census

Name: Charles Roberts
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Convict (Prisoner)
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Portland
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address: "Her Majesty's Convict Prison" Portland Dorset
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Blacksmiths Striker

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Portland
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majesty's Convict Prison 1

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2108; Folio: 45; Page: 35

Thats the new guy Emma got with! no idea why he was put down as being a roberts though.. his real surname was staines. All them children, apart from Alice was with Charles', Alice was William Staines' child.

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found 1891 33 Turin St Bethnal Green.

William Roberts 29y Waterside Lab Harbour[?] Waterloo Town Artillery
St[?]--------------------- age fits with Charles 1861/ 2
Emma Roberts 26y Bethnal Green
Charles Roberts 7y Bethnal Green
Emma Roberts 4y Finsbury
Elizabeth Roberts 3y Shoreditch
Alice Roberts 1 y [?] Spitalfields

no luck with 1901

Mavis

Bugger, aha.
I have a feeling this guys gonna be a total pain to trace.. I can't even find his birth certificate which doesn't help!

Talia,

Unfortunately, the marriage certs do not always say if the father is deceased - only who he was.

Dea x

Another good find.
One thing that i'm not to sure about.. it says frances is a widow, but on Charles marriage it doesn't say anything about his father being deceased.. it could be wrong, but its just somthing random I thought of.

I can only find him as this one - father 'another carpenter' !!!

1861:

ROBERTS, William Head Married M 34 1827 Carpenter And House Agent Whittlebury Northamptonshire
ROBERTS, Frances Wife Married F 28 1833 Sherford Norfolk
ROBERTS, William J Son M 3 1858 Scholar Islington Middlesex
ROBERTS, Charles L Son M 0 (3M) 1861 Islington Middlesex

1, Ann Street, Islington County:
London, Middlesex


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1871:
ROBERTS, Frances Head F 38 1833 Norfolk Wid.
ROBERTS, William Son M 13 1858 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Charles Son M 10 1861 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Arthur Son M 7 1864 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Frank Son M 5 1866 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Frances Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex VIEW

Address:
St Leonard St Priory Terrace, Bromley St Leonard County:
London, Middlesex

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Maybe her - remarried in 1881? - 'children-in-law' meaning 'step children'!!

PLUNKETT, George Head Married M 45 1836 House Painter Norwich Norfolk
PLUNKETT, Frances Wife Married F 47 1834 Thethford Norfolk
PLUNKETT, George Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex Islington Middlesex
ROBERTS, Frank Son In Law Single M 15 1866 Painter Shoreditch Middlesex
ROBERTS, Flora Daughter In Law Single F 11 1870 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex


3, Mills Buildings, Prince Edward Street, Islington County:
Middlesex

Dea x

Mavis, that was a very good find!
That guy fits the profile.. it would be good if it could be found that his father was William Roberts the Upholsterer!

Potty,

I think it was 16 Hare St. - I know I checked it out and he wasn't there.

Thanks though,

Dea x

That is a very possible Mavis.

Well done!

Dea x

Where was he living when he married in 1883? The 1881 is searchable by address.

Well, I have just looked through all the London baptisms 5 years either side of 1857 and none of them had father who was an upholsterer!!

Dea x

Talia,

Could this be your Charles 1881

Chas Roberts 21y --Lodger--Coachman born M'sex Islington [ has Essex]

RG 11 Piece 442 folio 132

1 Nags Head Yard Whitechapel

Mavis

That's the ones.
It's abit of a pain tracing Charles.. :| The last census he must of appeared on would of been the 1881, but not knowing where he was born makes it so much more difficult!

I was looking down the line of him possibly being from Mile end, and his mother being a 'Ann Maria' Or ann, or maria.. or somthing. But since my ancestry membership run out I haven't had much success xD

Yes, - I just found them:

Charles Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Jun 1884
Father's Name: Charles Roberts
Mother's Name: Emma Roberts
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

1, New Tyssen?? St.
born May 11th 1884

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Emma Elizabeth Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Nov 1886
Father's Name: Charles Roberts
Mother's Name: Emma Roberts
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

32, Leonard St, Finsbury
born 11th Nov, 1886

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Elizabeth Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Feb 1888
Father's Name: Charles Roberts
Mother's Name: Emma Roberts
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

27, New Nichols St.
born 12th Jan, 1888
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Dea x

There was
Charles Roberts Junior born 1884, Bethnal Green
Emma Roberts born 1885, Finsbury
Elizabeth 1888, Bethnal Green

I'm not sure exactly where they were born.. but I know their baptisms are on ancestry.

Hi Talia,

Do you know who his three children were and when and where they were born please?

Dea x

According to my family, Charles totally disapeared after his 3rd child was born in 1888, and by 1901 his wife was living with a new guy.. I presume he died sometime between 1888 and 1901, but I can't place a death certificate or find anything that backs that up!
But I do know for sure that his wife did get together with a new bloke by 1901, which is why he can't be found with her on the census, what really happened to him.. I have no idea.

Thanks Cathy,

I had found the marriage but I just can't place them on any census's together after they married.

Dea x

Sorry - forget all the above .......... Sorry !!!

It was worth a look but I have now found Charles the Carpenter's son marrying Mary Parker in 1878.

I will leave it posted so that you can discount it though.

Back to the search.

Do you have 'your' Charles with Emma on any census after their marriage that I could take a look at please?

Dea x