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Hi,im hoping for information,or where to search for info' on the father of Joseph Henry Lamb c1852. His name was also Joseph Henry Lamb, and he was a private in the Grenadier Guards. The 1901 census states that Joseph (c1852)was born in Wellington Barracks, London.This is all I have to go on and Iam clueless as what to do next.

1901... Correct one ?

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick EnumerationDistrict:
124 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Abbey Hey St George

Civil Parish:
Gorton Municipal Borough:
Address:
25, Fleet Street, Gorton County:
Lancashire


LAMB, Joseph H Head Married M 49 1852 Painter & Paperhanger
Wellington
London
LAMB, Mary E Wife Married F 48 1853
Bacup
Lancashire
LAMB, Berth M Daughter Single F 10 1891
Lr Openshaw
Lancashire


1891
Address:
31, Jackson Street, Openshaw, Manchester

LAMB, Joseph Henry Head Married M 38 1853 Machine Painter
Wellington Barracks
London
LAMB, Mary Ellen Wife Married F 38 1853
Bacup
Lancashire
LAMB, Henry Palmer Son Single M 19 1872 Turner
Woolwich
Kent
LAMB, Caroline Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1877 Scholar
Cornbrook
Lancashire
LAMB, Herbert Son M 11 1880 Scholar
West Gorton
Lancashire
LAMB, Bertha Daughter F 0 (6M) 1891
Openshaw
Lancashire


1881
Address:
101, Taylor St, Gorton

LAMB, Joseph H Head Married M 30 1851 Engine Painter
Woolwich
Kent
LAMB, Mary E Wife Married F 30 1851 Domestic
Gorton
Lancashire
LAMB, Henry P Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Woolwich
Kent
LAMB, Caroline S Daughter Single F 4 1877
Gorton
Lancashire
LAMB, Herbert Son Single M 0 1881
Gorton
Lancashire

1871,I think any way.
He married Mary Ellen Duff in the J/A/S Q 1871 in Woolwich I believe so it seems reasonable that it is him.

Address:
Henry Street, Woolwich County:
London, Kent

DUFF, Sarah Head F 47 1824 Gloucestershire <<married
DUFF, Caroline P Daughter F 18 1853 Kent
LAMB, Joseph H Step-Son M 18 1853 Surrey (Lambeth)<<painter


What is the address that he married from ?

Name: Joseph Henry Lamb <<plumber and Glazier
Age: minor
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Mary Ellen Duff
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Sep 1871
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
County: Middlesex
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Joseph Henry Lamb <<private Grenadier Guard
Spouse Father Name: Turner Duff <<copper smith


Address for both ,same as he was at in 1871 and Caroline Duff is a witness.

5 Henry Street.


The Duffs are there in 1861 ,but no Joseph.

Thankyou for the information you have sent me,very much appreciated

Message from Darren.

it,s his father i'm searching for.His marriage certificate to Mary E, indicates his fathers occupation was Private in the Grenadier Guards. I don't know where to go from here.
Kind Regards Darren

Darren.
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I know its his father you are searching for,but to try and do that you have to work back,which is what I have been doing.

I am not finding him in 1861 at all at the moment ,and neither am I finding a birth for Joseph Henry 1852 ish.

Edit.
I see you have replied on thread now,sorry but I didnt think you knew how.

My appologies.I'm still finding my way in the community section.Your help is very much appreciated. Darren

I am totally unable to find a birth for him,but it was nt compulsory to reg births at that time.
I am also unable to find him on 1861 or a marriage that could possibly be his fathers.

I am stumped....sorry.

He may of course be illegit and just made up a father but it does not explain no reg for him.

I also dont quite get how he is the stepson of Sarah Duff !
Unless she took him in for some reason.
I will have to think on things.

Unless anyone else out there has some ideas???

I know some will be reading this and if you have any ideas please apply them here..:)

This is the only birth that fits any where near any of the places that he says he was born,but may well not be him

Births Sep 1854
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Lamb Joseph Wandsworth 1d 398

Maybe the Henry was added at baptism (which I have also not found) or he added it himself?

The stepson label got me to.I have been through the Duff census forms for Sarah,who was married to John Duff at the time.He lived to a good age. Totaly stumped! Thanks again for your time, Darren

What about this ?


Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
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Casey Margaret Shoreditch 1c 444
******Duff John Shoreditch 1c 444
Kelly Thomas Shoreditch 1c 444
******Lamb Sarah Shoreditch 1c 444

1851 for the Duffs,and John is an Army man ?With a different wife from 1861 who was Sarah as per 1871?

Address:
5, Henry Street, Woolwich, Greenwich

DUFF, John Head Married M 38 1813 Sergant Royal Mar
Over Darwin
Lancashire
DUFF, Caroline Wife Married F 28 1823 Sergant Royal Mar
Worcester
DUFF, Charles Edwd Son M 3 1848 School
Woolwich
Kent
DUFF, William J H Son M 1 1850
Woolwich
Kent
PARKINS, William Relative M 18 1833 Cord Wainer
Worcester
PARKINS, Emily Relative F 15 1836 Servant
Worcester
JACKSON, William Lodger Unmarried M 25 1826 Gardner
Geldesten
Norfolk

Ah...I was getting to look for that next Choccy,but I think you are ahead of me,,thank Evans! (phew)

But if Joseph happens by some chance to be hers ,where has she parked him in 1861 ??

Deaths Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Duff Caroline Greenwich 1d 423

Sorry Choccy,I dont understand the connection,His supposed step mother and her husband appear to have been married till death.I thought he may have been adopted but he would have shown up in previous census,given that his supposed stepfather, John, was in the Royal Navy.Thanks, Darren

John Duff was married to Caroline,she dies and he Married Sarah Lamb in 1859.
Seeing that Joseph is also a Lamb they HAVE to be connected.

And on 1871 census even though John is not with Sarah she says she is married,not widowed so there fore with John being still sort of the head of the house she would put stepson down for Joseph as he would be Johns stepson if he were her son from a previous marriage ,or illegitimately.

But I have to go now as I am tired.
Will look in again tommorow and hopefully Choccy>:) or someone elsewill have solved it by then..;)

Think it is worth you getting the marriage certificate for John Duff and Sarah Lamb. Too much of a coincidence that Joseph Lamb is living with the family as a step-son.

It will at least tell you whether Sarah was a Widow and, if so, her father's name, to try and trace her marriage to Mr. Lamb.

Might he have been known as Henry as a child as he had the same forenames as his father?

This entry is for a Henry Lamb, resident at New Road Orphan Institution.

All the boarders are listed as 'Male children of soldiers who died in the Crimean War'.


1861 England Census
about Henry Lamb
Name: Henry Lamb
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male

Civil parish: South Mimms
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Barnet
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: South Mimms
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
John Skinner 41
Jane Skinner 39
Mary Ann Millard 22
Mary A Ellis 41
Mary A Briers 45
Anne Hatle 45
Julia Suttle 20
Mary A Bones 29
Mary A Haywood 11
Joseph Baugham 18
James Hilsdon 15
George Mauer 12
George Daimond 21
John Pinhorn 19
James Feates 16
Joseph Bilson 10
Thomas Mahoney 11
George Swain 11
William Adams 11
William Hunt 11
Henry Jones 11
William Cunningham 11
Robert Murphy 11
James Bowland 10
William Bunstan 10
George Hall 19
William Howarth 9
Joseph Miles 9
George Anderson 9
William Keogh 7
Henry Lamb 8
Joseph Pingey 5
George Squires 7
Charles Poole 6
Thomas Fisher 6
Arthur Davelin 9
John Franklin 8
Charles Graham 7
Thomas Monughan 8
George Issott 9
George Watts 7
William Reeves 6
Samuel Denham 5
Anthony Ransby 5
Edward Ransby 6
John Hall 9
Edward Sell 8
William Mitchell 7
William Hardiman 7
Richard Coglin 8
Arthur Rowe 5
James Butler 5
John Talesbt 9
George Barton 9
John Holmes 8
Hugh Oreilly 7
Charles Herbert 8
James Raun 9
Edward Tong 5
Alexander Ross 6
James Demsey 6
Edward Bonfield 7
Henry Whittaker 6
Fredrick Conway 5
John Foley 8
Michael Jalvaine 7
Henry Fisher 6
George Waters 5
Frederick Padfield 9
Robert Miles 6
John Garling 6
John Austin 7
Edward Benson 7
James Abrahams 5
John Birch 5
Robert Black 5
Thomas Bowen 7
Edward Borrowdale 6
Edward Baugham 5
James Decourcy 8
Henry Decourcy 7
William Elliott 5
George Elliott 6
James Garred 5
Frank Garrett 8
Samuel Howard 7
David Phillips 5
George Oreilly 8
John Robert 7
Richard Ross 6
George Spencer 5
John Warren 8
Thomas Wallock 6
Thomas Watts 7
William Tubbs 8
John Wilson 6
Robert Maudon 5
William Wallace 5
Samuel Imes 7
Charles Workington 4

You may well be right there Christina.
1853 seems to be the year of birth he is on most all other census.

Well worth looking into I think.

Thankyou to FannyByGaslight, Choccy & Christina for your time, ideas & info' that you have given me. I very much appreciate your help as I had run out of ideas as of where to look next.
Kind Regards, Darren