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Thank you very much Maureen, yes that is very likely to be Rose :)

Right, I managed to speak to some relatives and get some info which has cleared up a few confusions..

First of all, I got the birth date of George (jr) completely wrong and he was in fact much older than Violet so was not born in 1922! Therefore he is very likely to be 'Henry George' Jr instead!
'Rose' was actually the youngest of all the siblings.

As well as this, I found out that Margaret (who was known as Peg) was actually possibly called Elizabeth Margaret- and there is an Elizabeth on the census looked up yesterday.

Thirdly, we believe that there was a 'Nell' and Nelly is also listed on the census!

And finally, there were definately more than 4 children- but many of them died before Violet May was born or when she was very young. Apparently at Rose's grave there are a few of her siblings buried close by and they died at infancy or as children.

So all of this indicates that we are along the right lines with the family in the 1911 census and so on!




Ohhh and one last thing... I have also found out that (Henry) George Senior (the father) died before 1943 and his wife died around 1946 or 1947.

I researched Henry George's death on Free BMD and found a Henry G Hallford who died in 1938 in Uxbridge and would have bene born around 1869 so this must be him!


Than you very much again to everybody who helped me with this puzzle! It is all very much appreciated :) :)

I was just about to ask a few questions!!
Finding out a death date for Violet would be first on the list. I tried to look,but JONES??? Also death dates for any other family-George,Marg.,etc.
Do you know who Margaret married?

This seems to be "Rose":

Name: Lily R Hallford
Spouse Surname: Hickmott
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Registration district: Uxbridge
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 320
Find Spouse: David S Hickmott

Name: Lily Rose Hickmott
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: 1982
Registration district: Hillingdon
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 0893

Name: Annie L Halford
Death Registration Month/Year: 1958
Age at death (estimated): 83
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 691
(Just a guess).

This couple is probably responsible for some of the sightings in St Geo.
Marriages Jun 1907
HALLFORD William Frank St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 971
WILLIAMS Maria Sarah St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 971

Good luck!

Maureen

Thank you so much for all the fantastic replies and for looking up the transcription! It's very much appreciated...

I agree that this family seems to be very confusing!

Violet May has definately got to be my great grandmother but from the transcription the parents would be much older than I originally thought...
If this was the 1911 census, then perhaps Rose was born that year but after the census was taken...

And as for George Junior, that's very confusing :S Unless he was adopted, or was infact a cousin/grandchild...?

I will try and talk to some relatives to find out when Geoge and Ann/Annie would have been born and whether it could have been earlier than we originally thought.

Perhaps finding out a death date would help clarify this.


Also, in reference to the occupation, I know that the family were boat/ canal workers so this would link...

Thank you very much again for all your help :)

Possible??
1904
July / August / September Quarter
Williams Ann Lydia
W.Bromwich
Volume 6B Page 1369

Hi on the same 1891 census I gave you there is this
1891 census

Name Rose Hallford
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1890
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Address Broad Harres Decks Humbs Ry 122 T 1315
District Hillingdon, Uxbridge
Parish
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place Hough
Birth County Middlesex
in house
thomas Hallford 33
sarah ann wife 28
thoms 9
mary ann 4
rose 1

But that George and Ann(ie) are a bit old to have a son born in 1922, aren't they?

Also there is no Margaret

Rose may have been born after the census was taken.


I find this family very confusing!





sylvia

Here is the transcript for the info provided by Sylvia.


HALLFORD, Henry George Head Married M 44 1867 Baston By Trade North Ide Near Exeter VIEW
HALLFORD, Annie Wife F 43 1868 Duty At Home Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Duty At Home Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Henry George Son Single M 18 1893 Northolt Sales Works Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1896 Duty At Home Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Nelly Daughter F 13 1898 School Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Lizzie Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1905 School Usley VIEW
HALLFORD, Violet May Daughter F 3 1908 Northolt VIEW
HALLFORD, Priscella Widow F 71 1840 Wantage VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6787 Reference:
RG14PN6787 RG78PN339 RD127 SD3 ED5 SN27

Registration District:
Uxbridge Sub District:
Hayes EnumerationDistrict:
5 Parish:
Northolt

Address:
1 Brickfield Cottage West End County:
Middlesex

George


On the original his occupation looks more like" Boat man by trade"

Im afraid his writing is not the best.

also its stated they had 9 children 6 alive but 4 died,

possible
1891 census

Name Henry Hallford
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1869
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Barge Boatman Master
Address Broad Harres Docks Arthur 10398
District Hillingdon, Uxbridge
Parish
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place N K
Birth County Middlesex
in house
henry head 22
annie wife 20

Kara


try and see if someone will look on both the transcript and image for you ........................ I'd also be interested to see what his occupation is.


I found a Public Family Tree on ancestry that had a Henry George Hallford of the right age who was an Owner Boatman on one of the Middlesex canals .................. a lot of detail and an obviously very carefully researched tree, but unfortunately no wife or children shown, so it may not be yours.



sylvia

Aw that's brilliant, thank you very much :)

Yep he could very well have been Henry George.. Perhaps just known as 'George'

And maybe Ann was known as Annie.. .

Thanks again (:

Well, here is your grandmother on the 1911 Census ..... I used the free search, but have no credits to actually look at either ther transcript of the census image


HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD VIOLET MAY F 1908 3 Uxbridge Middlesex

A further search shows the following Hallfords also living in Uxbridge ... you need the traqnscript or census image to work out whether they are all living in the same household, or whther there is more than one family

HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD ALICE F 1896 15 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD ANNIE F 1868 43 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD ANNIE F 1891 20 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD HENRY GEORGE M 1893 18 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD HENRY GEORGE M 1867 44 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD LIZZIE ELIZABETH F 1905 6 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD NELLY F 1898 13 Uxbridge Middlesex
HOUSEHOLD HALLFORD PRISCELLA F 1840 71 Uxbridge Middlesex



It looks as though your great grandfather might have been Henry George Hallford, not plain George



sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

Um no I'm not sure if they only had 4 children... And George F is definately their son, but I will try and find out if there were more children... I don't think there would have been many more later than George as my grandmother (violet's daughter) would probably know more about them.

Thank you :)

are you sure they only had 4 children?

These were all born after 1911, mother's maiden name Williams, same registration area as Violet


Births Dec 1914 (>99%)

HALLFORD Albert H Williams St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 743


Births Jun 1920 (>99%)

Hallford Louisa A Williams St Geo H Sq 1a 917


Births Dec 1922 (>99%)

Hallford George F Williams St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 609


Births Mar 1927 (>99%)

Hallford Alexander Williams St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 575


and these were born before 1911 and registered at St Geo Hanover Square, but are before the date at which mmn is shown

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)

Hallford Arthur E St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 461



Births Dec 1902 (>99%)

Hallford Albert F St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 457


Births Sep 1903 (>99%)

HALLFORD Lilian May St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 478



Births Mar 1905 (>99%)

Hallford Dorothy Maud St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 468



Births Jun 1906 (>99%)

HALLFORD Doris Linda St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 450



Births Jun 1907 (>99%)

Hallford Frank James St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 454


Births Mar 1909 (>99%)

HALLFORD Ernest St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 423





You need to get a look at the 1911 Census ...... this will tell you which children are theirs, how long they say they have been married, and where and when George and Ann were born




sylvia

I'm not sure if it will help but George and Ann's daughter, Rose, married David Hickmott

And Violet married Albert Jones....

Ah, George (junior)'s birth record, that's brilliant,

thank you :)

Aw thank you,

Mmm it's very confusing... I suppose there's the possibility that they weren't actually married... Although it would maybe have been less likely back then.

I haven't been able to find the birth records of any of the other children either unfortunately... so i've just been relying on info from the family for dates and things!

1922 Oct / Nov / Dec Quarter
Hallford George F
Mothers Maiden Name Williams
ST.Geo.H.Sq
Volume 1A Page 608

Am trying to find your gr grandparents marriage, without much success


Here is what looks like your grandmother's birth registration ..... a little later than you said


Births Dec 1911 (>99%)

Hallford Violet Williams St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 752


EDIT:- Violet May Hallford shows up on the 1911 as aged 3 and born in 1908 ......... so is this another Violet???? Another family or what???




sylvia

Hello

Um, unfortunately I'm not really sure... They were both born around Middlesex so I would imagine it was there...

(Possibly Yiewsley)

Hi do you know where