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Sorry, I misunderstood your 22:58 post. I find it quite difficult when there is no punctuation. I thought you meant he was on a census as the nephew.

I totally agree that 1871 and 1881 are the same family. Also 1891 WILL be hard as it is quite a common name.

Ozi

what i am after is john in the 1891 census but could be anywhere as he would have been age 22

hi ozi
1871 john age 2 c1868 with his parents john and jane emma and sarah
1881 john age 12 with john jane emma sarah thomad edwin and henry
surely a coindence if this is not the same family and still their son.
ill keep searching for him in 1891 hell turn up one day
thanks for your help sharon

The 1881 census doesn't say he is a nephew. It doesn't have any relationship at all. I can find Alice & Solomon in 1871 but not after that.

So exactly what are you after now? Jane Hearson/Barnes after 1881 or John Barnes after 1881? Or any of the other children?

Ozi.

yes he his with his parents in the ( woo hoo) census
alice hearson 1854 married to solomon selby

Is he in Nottingham in 1881? What is your g-g-grandmother's name?

Ozi

sorry was getting back to tell you earlier that they were baines but was interupted

hi ozi
my sister informs me they come up as baines in 1881 but if you look on census it says barnes john barnes 1868 is the nephew of my g-g-grandmother

WOO HOO!!! Here they are! None of the children had the relationship column filled in so they were difficult to pick up.

1881 England Census
Name: John Baines [Looking at the image you can see why they're mistranscribed.]
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Pump St

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
Household Members:
Name Age
John Baines 38 - Labourer
Jane Baines 36
Emma Baines 15
John Baines 12
Sarah Baines 10
Thomas Baines 8
Henry Baines 4
Edwin Baines 2

All born Nottingham.

This must be your Edwin
Births Jun 1878
Barnes Edwin Nottingham 7b 353


???
Deaths Mar 1884
BARNES John 41 Nottingham 7b 213

In 1871 you have John & Jane Barnes with children Emma, John & Sarah.

Births Mar 1866
Barnes Emma Nottingham 7b 233

???
Births Jun 1868
Barnes John Nottingham 7b 229

Births Sep 1868
BARNES John Thomas G Nottingham 7b 221

Is John Barnes c1868 your ancestor? Do you have his marriage cert to prove the connection? Are you certain the other three - Edwin, Thomas & Henry are hers too?

Ozi

???
Births Sep 1870
Barnes Sarah Elizabeth Nottingham 7b 229
Births Sep 1871
Barnes Sarah Nottingham 7b 261

Births Jun 1872
Barnes Thomas Nottingham 7b 268

Births Jun 1874
Barnes Edwin Nottingham 7b 285

Births Dec 1876
BARNES Henry Nottingham 7b 339

They're elusive once she is married though.

Did you think Jane Crooks was your lady? The children didn't seem to fit, nor her age. In 1881 she's married to a Samuel Barnes. Also you'd think Sarah, Thomas, Edwin & Henry would be with her in 1881.

Ozi

???
Marriages Jun 1872
Barnes Samuel Nottingham 7b 453
MOORE Elizabeth Nottingham 7b 453
SMITH James Nottingham 7b 453
Wilson Jane Nottingham 7b 453

hi ozi
i have both marriage certificates for jane to john and james crooks and tes her parents were john and elizabeth
thanks for your help appreciated

1861 England Census
Name: John Hearson
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Chapel Yard

Occupation: Bricklayer's Labourer

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hearson 47
Elizabeth Hearson 45
Emma Hearson 20 - silk winder
Louisa Hearson 9 - lace drawer
Sarah Hearson 14 - box maker
Alice Hearson 7 - scholar
Edwin Hearson 11 - bricklayer's labourer
Sylva Hearson 5
Joseph Hearson 3

All born Nottingham.

This looks more like your Jane Hearson.

1851 England Census
Name: Jane Hearson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Chapel Court

Occupation:

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
Household schedule number: 125
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hearson 37 - Bricklayer's labourer; Old Basford[??], Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Hearson 35 - Silk Glove Cher____[??]; Nottingham
Emma Hearson 10 - Silk Glove Cher____[??]; Nottingham
John Hearson 8 - scholar
Jane Hearson 6
Sarah Hearson 4
Edwin Hearson 1

All children born Nottingham.

Old Occupation - Chevener: Embroidered fine silk stockings, popular with the Victorians.
Perhaps this was also used for an embroiderer of silk gloves.

Sharon, going back to the beginning; have you ever found John & Jane with their children Sarah, Thomas, Edwin and Henry together on a census? Are they the same family? What evidence do you have that any of these names are connected, including Jane Hearson? Marriage certificate? Birth certificate of one of the children?

I'm asking this because I can't find any connections myself.

Ozi

Probably the Jane Hearson found in 1861.
Births Sep 1838
HEARSON Jane Basford 15 400

Probably your Jane Hearson.
Births Mar 1845
HEARSON Jane Nottingham 15 123

1881 England Census
Name: Jane Barnes
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Sneinton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 51 Thorneywood Rise

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Snenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Barnes 33 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Barnes 30
Francis A. Barnes 8
Albert W. Barnes 5

Are you sure this is your lady?

1891 England Census
Name: Jane Barnes
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Moffat Street

Occupation: at Midland Lace Co

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Barnes 40
Francis Arthur 17 [Image is Francis Arthur do, meaning ditto. His last name has been mistranscribed as Arthur and therefore Albert & Horace too.] - Fitter
Albert W Arthur 15 - Errand Boy
Horace H Arthur 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Martha Dyles 25 - lodger


for reference:
1901 England Census
Name: Jane Crooks
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Bloomfield St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
James Crooks 60 - Engine Driver (stationary)
Jane Crooks 52
Horace Barnes 15 <<<<<<<<<<

would someone see if they can find john barnes born 1868/9 in the 1891 census please

hi all
i think i have found jane barnes in 1901 married to jessie(james) crooks and with them is horace barnes age 15 1886 i cannot find him in 1891
any help appreciated
sharon