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Name: Joseph Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 550


Name: Joseph George Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
District: Woolwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 844


Name: Joseph Frederick Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 8

death index for 1
Name: Joseph Carter
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 158

1901 and these for Middlesex
Joseph W Carter parents John J,
Mary A abt 1891 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Son Edmonton, Middlesex
Joseph Carter parents Frederick,
Caroline abt 1892 Islington Son Tottenham, Middlesex

1901 don't know if this helps to" rule out" any birth indexes but there are these searching "Joseph Carter dob 1891+/-1yr London"
Joseph Carter mother Mary A abt 1892 Battersea, London, England Son Battersea, London
Joseph S Carter parents Robert J,
Frances S abt 1892 Hackney, London, England Son Hackney, London
Joseph T Carter parents John G,
Eliza J abt 1892 Greenwich, Kent, England Son Greenwich, London

Oops, it was Glitter Baby had unrelated Carters. ;)

But maybe thee and me do have after all! I mean, how many Carters could there be in Northamptonshire ... hahahaha!

Janey, I ain't got no Carters in my family, not unless you go back to 1792 in Sandbach, Cheshire. Heck, tell a lie, I've got one in Northamptonshire! Will pm you.

With a birthdate in mid-Sept I also would not rule out a fourth quarter registration of the birth, whatever year it was.

So that throws this one into the mix possibly:

Births Dec 1891
Carter Joseph Stanford Hackney 1b 513

and the good thing about that one, if it happened to be right, would be that Stanford could possibly be the father's surname if the parents' weren't married.


Madmeg, are our Carters related? ;)

I knew you'd beat me to it Janey - but yours wasn't up here when I posted mine!

Many fostered children were relatives, but I can't see anything that connects these Keatleys. No Carters in there.

Oh ****, it's another ****** Jessie Tedstone. He says the birth date is 19th September, and 1892. (Ignore if you don't know what I'm talking about - another problem on another thread).

Simon, if you think that's his birthdate, how about these (from Ancestry):

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Joseph Carter
Name: Joseph Carter
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 216 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Joseph Carter
Name: Joseph Carter
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 943 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Joseph Carter
Name: Joseph Carter
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 218 (click to see others on page)

Not sure why you think the Poplar one is more likely, but I think Ancestry came up with some that freebmd didn't (?).

He was 9 in 1901 and 19 in 1911, so late 1891 fits.

Where do you have the birthdate from -- family birthdays and such?

I tend to agree -- order what seems to be the most likely birth cert and see.

I've found that people are more likely to know their birthday, i.e. month and day, or to know their elderly relations' birthdays, and get the year wrong, than the other way around. My grandfather was born in 1901 but believed he was born in 1900 until he had to get his birth cert when he retired -- knew when his birthday was, though. ;)


Also, he may well have been the child of unmarried parents, so a birth cert with no father named could be a good lead too.


Also just for our ref here (you have all this but we don't) - this is his death I guess:

Name: Joseph Carter
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1890
Death Registration Month/Year: 1975
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 0166

No, Simon, much as I hope for cousins, no hope here I fear.

My Carters were from Northamptonshire, Wellingborough area, and my Coopers from Nottinghamshire, Basford area. Both families long rooted and all present and accounted for! And actually I was a generation out: it was the grandson of Ms. Carter and the granddaughter of Ms. Cooper (Carter and Cooper were both born in the 1860s) who married here in Canada. ;)


Madmeg -- I posted that marriage on p. 1. ;)

To JaneyCanuck, Are You Sure there Is No Connection, The Names Matching Seem To Be A Coincidence.

Ido know that Charles Keatley Died in 1912 and his Father was also a Charles Keatley, So you are right there.

Marriage
Charles Keatley 1861 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
View Record
Clara Jane Wallace 1861 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire

None of this is doing anything.

Not Sure how to find out why he was in Meriden, I wouldn`t think he was related as he was a foster child. I have found out all births of Joseph Carters in London, and the all deaths of Josephs in London, to narrow the search. The area Poplar seems to be a lead but even if i order this Birth Cert, i dont think this would help. His Birth Day seems to be 19th Sept. However, on his death & Marriage Cert it Says Born 1890. All Census records Seem to Point Towards Being born in 1892. Maybe the way forward is to order the birth certificate for Poplar to see if the date of birth is the 19th Sept.

Clara wasn't a Carter, so no joy there.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Sep 1861
Hartwell John Birmingham 6d 111
Keatley Charles Birmingham 6d 111
Wallace Clara Jane Birmingham 6d 111
WILLIAMS Mary Birmingham 6d 111


Wrong place for my Carters too ... although my Ms. Carter's son did marry my Ms. Cooper's daughter. ;)

1861 England Census
about Charles Keetley
Name: Charles Keetley
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Katherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Meriden, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Keetley 49
Katherine Keetley 49
Charles Keetley 25
Emily F Turner 3 Granddaughter.

Two possible deaths, could have been witnessed by Joseph:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

PreviewName: Charles Keatley
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 76
District: Meriden
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Name: Charles Keatley
Birth: abt 1836
Death: Mar 1912 - Meriden, Warwickshire, West Midlands

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
PreviewName: Charles Keatley
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 58
District: Meriden
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Name: Charles Keatley
Birth: abt 1838
Death: Dec 1896 - Meriden, Warwickshire, West Midlands

1891 England Census
about Charles Keutley
Name: Charles Keutley
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Clara J
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Meriden, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Meriden
Ecclesiastical parish: Meriden
Town: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Keutley 54 Boot and Shoe Maker (as in 1901)
Clara J Keutley 48
Charles Keutley 79 Father

There are a lot of possible Joseph Carters born in London.

If you have his father, let us know. Otherwise the next thing is to find out why he was in Meriden with the Keatleys, and hope they were related in some way.

No. It Just Says Not Known