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I wonder if this is the birth for Betty?

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
LOVERIDGE Elizabeth A Loveridge Swindon 5a 9



It is humbling when we see the poverty and hard lives of our ancestors.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: STONE, Louisa
Address: Potlyn Lane Eastwood
STONE, Stephen Head Married M 71 1840 General Dealer Kent Littingbourne VIEW
STONE, Matilda Wife Married
44 years F 60 1851 Hawker London St Pancras VIEW
STONE, Mary Daughter Single F 20 1891 Essex Eastwood VIEW
STONE, Louisa Daughter Single F 18 1893 Essex Eastwood VIEW
STONE, Elias Grandson M 5 1906 Essex Leigh

Thank you, thank you thank hank you. I think Elias had chosen to vanish for a while. I know I read a newspaper report where him and his brother Stephen were sent for hard labour - 7 days for both for being drunk in charge of a horse and cart and he received a further 7 days for having a fight with the man who was supposedly buying rags from them in Cherry Orchard Lane in Eastwood.

Sound like such charming people. I know my grandfather hated his father as his mother had left them with him and when he died they never even put a stone on his grave. Says quite a lot really. I remember as a child being taken to the family graveyard in Essex and his grave being pointed out to me at the edge of the graveyard under a tree and just told somewhere over there. Must have been a cruel man to make his child think such little of him.

cannot see Elias 1911

1901 census - household transcription
Person: STONE, Elias
Address: Green Lane, Eastwood
STONE, Stephen Head Married M 57 1844 Horse General Dealer
Sittingbourne
Kent VIEW
STONE, Matilda Wife Married F 56 1845
London VIEW
STONE, Elijah Son Single M 14 1887
Tilbury
Essex VIEW
STONE, Elias Son Single M 13 1888
Tilbury
Essex VIEW
STONE, Mary Daughter Single F 10 1891
Eastwood
Essex VIEW
STONE, Louisa Daughter F 8 1893
Eastwood
Essex

1891 census - household transcription
Person: STONE, Stephen
Address: Gipsies Tents & Caravan, Green Lane, Eastwood
STONE, Stephen Head Married M 47 1844 General Dealer & Hawker
Kent VIEW
STONE, Matilda Wife Married F 47 1844
London VIEW
STONE, William Son Single M 20 1871 Assist The Father
Wanstead
Essex
Flats VIEW
STONE, Stephen Son Single M 19 1872
Romford
Essex VIEW
STONE, Priscella Daughter Single F 16 1875
Thundersley
Essex VIEW
STONE, Walker Son Single M 12 1879
Thundersley
Essex VIEW
STONE, Matilda Daughter Single F 9 1882
Romford
Essex VIEW
STONE, Jestina Daughter F 7 1884
Southend
Essex VIEW
STONE, Elijah Son M 4 1887
Thundersley
Essex VIEW
STONE, Elias Son M 2 1889
Tilbury
Essex VIEW
STONE, Mary Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Eastwood
Essex

1901 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIGE, Elizabeth
Address: Van On Wheels, Green Lane, Eastwood
STONE, Ike Head Single M 30 1871 Hawker And Labourer
Tilbury
Essex VIEW
LOVERIGE, Elizabeth Lodger Single F 23 1878 As House Keeper
Cambridge VIEW
LOVERIGE, Louisa Lodgers Daugh F 1 1900
Eastwood
Essex

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth
Address: Poplar Lane Eastwood

STONE, Stephen Head Unmarried M 42 1869 General Labourer And Hawker Romford Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth Mother Unmarried F 33 1878 Flower Seller Isle of Ely Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Loie Daughter F 11 1900 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 10 1901 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Queene Daughter F 8 1903 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elias Son M 5 1906 Pitsea Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Charlie Son M 2 1909 Eastwood Essex

I believe that she went of with his brother called Elias Stone. I do not think she changed her name at least she retained some independence in that way. She had a daughter with him called Betty and then I get completely stuck - there may even be another child. By this time she had settled in Eastwood in Essex where many of Romany families settled.

I have been through all the information shown above and have managed to build a couple of levels to my tree now so thank you all.

You are very welcome Jennifer, I thought you wanted to find her with Stephen and his brother but you have not given brothers name. So far I have found her parents family but nothing of her as an adult. Did she change her name at all?

You're very welcome - and the site has indeed changed since 3 or 4 years ago! One more tip -- click on "Edit" in your first post, and then "Submit" (you don't have to change anything), and it will change your username on that post to your current name.

Sometimes we assume that a wife who "ran off" and set up house with someone else was a loose woman. I think it's much more likely in most cases that circumstances were as you described - an unpleasant or abusive husband, and no access to divorce or any support services, so the woman did need to partner with someone else in order to support her kids.

It seems like Elizabeth's parents weren't married, so she would have been registered in her mother's surname but gone by her father's while with the family.

Have you looked at FreeBMD for her siblings' marriages / looked for them in later censuses with family? Once you get their names (minus the mistranscriptions) in your tree and do some tree searches, maybe you'll find some matches. Good luck!

Dear All

My eternal thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I did have some info but because of the surname changes it was difficult to confirm.

I have also taken note of my user name here and have changed it as well.

This is the first time I have posted a request for a number of years so was unaware of the site requirements. My apologies.

Thanks to you all for taking the time to help it is enormously appreciated.

Elizabeth did not have a good life with my great grandfather before she left him and had a relationship and children with his brother and died quite young I believe alone and living in a shed apparently poor thing. I was mainly trying to find out about her siblings and parents and now with the information provided can now fill some gaps in my tree.

I have always been intrigued by her use of the 'Loveridge nee Smith' bit as it was quite common for the children to be given the mothers surname as happened in her case as well and she did this with her own children.
Not one of them was named after Stephen Stone. I have loads of info on his side of the family and am happy to share.

Once again my thanks.

Jenny has not opened the PM I sent her yesterday about finding / replying in the thread etc.

Aha, very very low member number. From the days before one could answer in threads, I'll bet. Old email address maybe?? ;)

Are you able to give details on Stephen yet?

Would need to know more about Stephen Stone and his brother to find her with them,

1871 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Jurania
Address: Pork Lane, Cople

GREY, Montague Head M 37 1834 Hertfordshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth As Wife F 38 1833 Not Known VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Alfred Son M 20 1851 Bedfordshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Lavinia Daughter F 18 1853 Bedfordshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Spiers Son M 16 1855 Not Known VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Charles Son M 14 1857 Not Known VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Moses Son M 12 1859 Cambridgeshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Absalom Son M 10 1861 Cambridgeshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Stephen Son M 8 1863 Bedfordshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Jurania Daughter F 6 1865 Bedfordshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Rosanna Daughter F 4 1867 Bedfordshire

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Beliah
Address: Caravan C/o Harvey Station En D Lode Cambridgeshire

LOVERIDGE, Stephen Head Married
14 years M 50 1861 Labourer Farm Scotland Glascoed VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Susan Wife Married F 33 1878 Wolverhampton Staffford VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Norah Son Single M 18 1893 Labourer On Farm Yarmouth Norfolk VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Lovenia Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Wisbech Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Beliah Daughter Single F 11 1900 School March Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Eli Son Single M 7 1904 March Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Unity Daughter F 6 1905 March Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Stephen Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Lode Cambs

could this be him?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Cornelius
Address: In a Portable Tent in Love's Lane Off Reach Road Burwell Cambridgeshire

LOVERIDGE, Faires Head Married M 56 1855 Cambridge Witcham VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Sarah Wife Married F 51 1860 Cambridge Cottenham VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Cornelius Son Single M 19 1892 Cambridge Littleport VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Faires Son Single M 16 1895 Cambridge Doddington VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Sevinah Daughter F 9 1902 Cambridge Doddington VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 7 1904 Cambridge Doddington

Have PMed Jenny about reading/replying in thread ...

maybe?
1901 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Moses
Address: On Thwaite Road, Wickham Skeith


LOVERIDGE, Spears Head Married M 40 1861 Grinder Of Cutlery
Hitcham
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Crisanda Wife Married F 40 1861
Cambridge VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Moses Son Single M 17 1884
Isle of Ely
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Levi Son Single M 14 1887
Tooting
London VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Arthur Son Single M 10 1891
Castel Hill
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Cornelius Son Single M 8 1893
Lavenham
Suffolk VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Charles Son Single M 3 1898
Torting
London VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Crisanda Daughter Single F 15 1886
Lavenham
Suffolk

It is surprising they managed to remember where each child was born.