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LiverBird1

You've posted a few census searches for me.

Please can I ask if you have the places of birth and relationship to the house hold on them.

Many thanks
Tracy

My family have died over 30 years ago and I don't think my mother ever knew her elder sister was a child of an earlier marriage and they weren't full sisters.

Her mother remarried two weeks before her elder sister was born. Her first husband died on leave from the Army the week that this elder sister was conceived. It's amazing the detials you can find on the net that were never known before

Good Luck Kay

The funny thing is that I seem to be telling my dad things about his family (real dad, mum,etc) that he never knew.

Im sure it should be the other way round!!!

x

If only wishes were kisses Tracy..sigh.

I would have saved a fortune if I had asked some questions too.
Got my nans marriage today.
She was Illegitimate but knew her father until age 5 when he died and she has his first and second name down on her marriage ,plus occupation,but,,,,,has put his surname the same as hers which she knew it wasnt !

Thank You FannyByGaslight at least I know that it wasn't unsual to have someone registering the birth, other than the mother and father.

I got a reply from Helen (who also has Senath in her tree). She hasnt got any more of Senath decendants but is helping with Senaths mums family etc.

I really wished I'd been intrestered in this all before my nanny died, so I could have asked her all the details of her family.

Mind you she wouldn't tell my dad things about her family so I doubt she would have told me.

Oh well I will never know.

x

I have 2 birth certs ,one for my sons Grandfather and one for his grandfathers brother,5 years later,both with no father on, but both registered by people other than their mother,one woman and one man.
They signed a "declaration"it says on the certs.

K, I think you could be on the right track.

Shes named Francis J Cooper as her father on one of them (that is Senaths dads name - is this a coincidence or is that who she put as her father although he was her mothers father and subsiquently her grand father)?

However, still confused why Frank Culshaw registered her!!!
Maybe her mum couldnt.

If Senath died when Florence was only 10 her brother Frank may have brought up Florence and been named as her father on her marriage cert

Name: Senath Cooper
Death Registration Month/Year: 1931
Age at death (estimated): 32
Registration district: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 198

See K thats what I thought, but why did he register Senaths child?

God if only I had a crystal ball lol

Could the father mentioned on her marriage cert have been her uncle Frank who stood in as her father?

I don't know if the same registration rules applied in 1920 but you would think Frank Culshaw would be listed as the father if he registered her and was actually the father

Yes I do mean for Senaths Child:

Florence Cooper born june 1920.

So does that mean if frank Culshaw registered her birth he IS the father?

My nannys part of the tree has me so confused. We dont even know my
dads real dads name (thats another story lol)

thanks again
Tracy

Tracy I think is refering to Senath's child's birth.

The details below list who can register a birth, but this is present day rules

If the parents were married to each other at the time of the birth either the mother or the father can register the baby. However, if the parents were not married to each other at the time of the birth the father's details can only be entered in the register in the following circumstances:

* where the mother and the father attend together before the registrar to register the birth
* or where the father is unable to attend with the mother it is possible for him to make a statutory declaration, confirming that he is the father, which the mother should produce to the registrar (copies of this form can be obtained from any registrar in England and Wales)
* or where the mother in unable to attend the office with the father, it is possible for her to make a statutory declaration, confirming the name of the father, which the father should produce to the registrar
* or where either parent has obtained a relevant court order this should be produced to the registrar who will advise you further.

However, if the parents are not married to each other the father cannot register the birth unless the mother attends the office with him and they both sign the register or she makes a legal declaration naming him as the father.

The mother can register the birth on her own but the father's details will not be recorded in the register. There are circumstances in which other people may be legally qualified to register the birth. However, these are unusual and you should contact the Register Office for advice.

Please remember one of the parents must register the birth in person. They cannot ask a friend or relative to register the birth on their behalf.

Tracy, FannyByGaslight has found the birth registered March 1899 which suggests she was born either end of 1898 or early 99.
Liverbird1 has found parents marriage as June 1897. Assuming that both of these are the correct records then her parents had been married for more then 9 months when Senath was born so no reason to suspect that he not the father.
Do you actually have the birth certificate? If so, what does it say under description and residence of informant?
I've been trying to find a Frank Culshaw in that area at the right time but without success

As you have all been very helpfull I have another question.

My nanny has Senath only on her birth certificate and no father.

However there is a Frank Culshaw who was the informant. His adress is the same as where my nanny was born?!
Back then - do you know - who could register a babys birth?

On my nannys two marriage certificates that I have there is a father named.

1st marriage is in 1942 it states father: Frank Cooper - Able Seaman Royal Navy.

2nd marriage is in 1950 it states father: Francis James Cooper (deceased) - Captain Royal Navy.

Any ideas lol?

Thanks again
Tracy

Liverbird1 you have been busy on my behalf, thank you.

Julia May , I did a check like it was suggested and I have messaged Helen.

Just waiting for her reply.

Thanks again all..................

Someone called Helen has this person in her tree on GR

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>Baron Sarah Rooks Scarbro' 9d 667
>>>>>>>>Cooper Francis James Scarbro' 9d 667
Cowling Rachel Ellen Scarbro' 9d 667
Reed Frederick Smith Scarbro' 9d 667

1841 England Census
about William Baron
Name: William Baron
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bridlington
Hundred: Dickering
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Looks like M S ( MAle servant? )
Registration district: Bridlington
Sub-registration district: Hunmanby
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Bilton 28
John Clubley 21
John Wilson 23
James Spencer 16
Robert Redhead 15
Robert Waites 11
William Baron 31
William Burrell 44
Jane Moody 26




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1213; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Bridlington; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 3; Page: 13; Line: 25; GSU roll: 464216.

1851 England Census
about Ralph Baron
Name: Ralph Baron
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Speeton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Speeton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bridlington
Sub-registration district: Skipsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Baron 41
Mary Baron 40
Ralph Baron 4
Geoe Baron 2



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2367; Folio: 351; Page: 6; GSU roll: 87644-87645



1881 England Census
about Ralph Baron
Name: Ralph Baron
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Naomi
Gender: Male
Where born: Speeton

Civil parish: Nafferton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Priestgate
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Driffield
Sub-registration district: Driffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ralph Baron 32
Naomi Baron 31
Sarah Baron 9
Asemath Baron 7
Thomas Baron 6
William Baron 4
George Baron 2
John Baron
George Rooks 1 >>>>>>Lodger!



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4794; Folio: 93; Page: 5; GSU roll: 1342157


1891 England Census
about Ralph Baron
Name: Ralph Baron
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Naomi
Gender: Male
Where born: Speighton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Nafferton
Ecclesiastical parish: Nafferton
Town: Nafferton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Driffield
Sub-registration district: Driffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ralph Baron 40
Naomi Baron 43
William Baron 15
John Baron 12
Harrison Baron 5
Jane Baron 3
Elisabeth Baron 8/12




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3955; Folio 78; Page 6; GSU roll: 6099065

1901 England Census
about Senath Cooper
Name: Senath Cooper
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Nafferton
Ecclesiastical parish: Nafferton All Saints
Town: Nafferton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Driffield
Sub-registration district: Driffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Ralph Baron 54
Naomi Baron 52
Thomas Baron 26
George Baron 22
Mary Elizabeth Bawn 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Baron on image
Senath Cooper 2




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4518; Folio: 43; Page: 9.