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Oh no, for the love of ...

We're back to John James Lucky?????

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1199676

-- a thread which By No Means reflects the work FannyByGaslight and I did on this one.


John
21st January 2010 18:33

looking to trace my fathers bloodline.
he was born robert paul ellse dob 9/4/55

mother- irene elsse age 17 british shop worker. father- john james lucky age 21 british driver

adopted by mother irene ellse at 1 month old most of the adoption papers state father unknown

i have seen 1 refrence of father john james lucky any help or info please on him or his father.

now i have been informed by irenes brother that the man i seek is not a john james lucky

but he is a man from folkstone

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"i have in the adoption file only one mention of the fathers name- john james lucky."

So now you've decided that is not the father of your father. The father of your father is someone named Joe__ Isle or Isley or Heysley (which certainly is not pronounced "ighley" I think) ...

Where are you getting this "information" from?????

Look, you started out saying this:

"need to find the father of a man named joe'y isley. if hes still alive he would probably be about 90"

Nobody knew who was suppoesd to be about 90 -- J. Isley or his father. Now it seems that what you meant was:

"I need to find J Isley, who would be about 90, who is the father of a man."


So now it has taken us to PAGE 2 of this thread for you to get around to saying that you HAVE a name for the father of the person whose father you are now saying is J. Isley?

Who the &%$# is J. ISLEY???


Hmm ... and *now* I see this bit from your previous thread --

"now i have been informed by irenes brother that the man i seek is not a john james lucky but he is a man from folkstone"

has been added at some time since Viv and I worked on your thread. You apparently contacted the person here at GR I recommended you contact.

But neither Viv nor I nor anyone else knew you had changed the opening post in that thread, because we had no reason to look back at it, since you did not add *a new post* to it that would have *shown* us there was something new.

I'm sorry, but you are not even attempting to make sense. Enough.

What you may need to do is find out if there are re cords at the nearest localstudy library to Folkestone, Every one on hear would love to help but we cannot work without a starting point.
Could I clarify

Joe is your father and it is his father that would be around 90 now.

Back to Joe, isle (pronounced ighley) he lived and grew up in Ingoldsby road folkestone kent england around 1955 he would of lived there.


i have in the adoption file only one mention of the fathers name- john james lucky.

all other fathers name entries state not known.

one entry states moved abroard.

You say you have the whole adoption file - if the father's name is not recorded there, I'm not sure how you can ever hope to verify his name.

Please confirm whether this is the case..............

everyone has helped and i apreciate that they have.

what dosent help is i dont have any 100% acurate facts to give yet

i have no proof

If you do a street search on friends reunited, there several people listed in Ingoldsby Road - perhaps they could give you some information
Liz

"the reason i seek him is to find his father and his fathers father and his fathers fathers father."

John, I would have thought it clear that what I was referring to was the reason why you want to find his father and his father's father, etc. ...

We don't pick random names out of hats and go looking for their ancestors.

It helps, it can be essential, to know *why* someone is investigating a particular individual, because it helps to know what other information to ask for.

I guess we're all not much use here.

The only remotely possibly connected person I see in the indexes goes like this.

a marriage

Name: Joseph Isley
Spouse Surname: Kay
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Wharfedale
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9a

a birth

Name: Harold J Isley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Kay
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1920
Registration district: Leeds
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 736

2 marriages for that name in Leeds, 1942 and 1948; 2 births to the second marriage.

a death

Name: Harold Joseph Isley
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1920
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 0303
Page Number: 287


That person's middle name and father's name were Joseph. He is on two trees here at GR.

for the record i have the whole adoption file

If your dad was born in Kent then Social Services may well have archived his records. There are archived records going back years ... Definitely worth following up.

Jill

i tried the phone book myself but nothing.

not that i want to contact the man.

Do you have your dad's birth certificate?

Does it mention Joe's name?

Are you going by the way your mum/a member of your family pronounced his surname?

Jill

It's a tough one. Obviously you don't want to put your father's name here.

If he is still living, he is entitled to certain information from his adoption files, I believe.

Someone here recently moved heaven and earth to get his own files from social services in Scotland, after his mother gave him up as a young child. After all his years of wondering and searching, he was finally given a copy of his mother's application for social assistance -- on which she had stated his father's name.

If your dad does want to find out what is in his records, he could start the process through the social services office in the place where he was adopted, I think. It is possible that his mother did record something about his father during the process.

Well if he was in Folkestone, he's not there now. At least he's not in the phone book as I've just looked.

Under Isley, Hisley, Haysley, Heysley etc. No sign of him.

Jill

the reason i seek him is to find his father and his fathers father and his fathers fathers father.

at a geuss ingoldsby road 1955?


only child he had that i 100% know of is my father who was adopted age 1month old

i'm not in a position to know if he married or not

all i know is this man is my grandfather he never married my grandmother.

i know neither gf or gm.

they had a child, gf knows nothing of child my father, as far as i am aware.

gm was forced to go to a mother and baby home by her parents, to give birth and was not allowed home till baby was adopted.

joe,joe'y,joseph-isley/heysley should be about 90 if still alive so im told, last known place he lived was ingoldsby road folestone kent england.

i have no date of birth. any other info you think would help ask i dont know much i keep being thrown red herrings, but i will add any new info to this thread if i find anything else out..

Just terminally curious, me ...


"last known address folkstone kent ingoldsby road"

In 1920? 1950? 1999?


Did he marry? Have children?

There's a reason you're looking for him, one assumes. So you know *something* about him that you aren't stating ...

variation spelling of surname heysley last known address folkstone kent ingoldsby road



not indonesia!! as i thought

Fascinating.

Well, I guess if you do want help, you'll answer some of the questions and provide the information you do have!


Oh. You edited your opening post.

The surname Heysley does not seem to exist in England/Wales.

There's Hisley ... although rare ...

i only add yhe inf on my tree that i get told and it needs to be changed as the info is wrong on my tree