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1871
Household Members:
Name Age
George Roberts 32
Eliza Roberts 28
Mary Roberts 11
John Roberts 10
William Roberts 5
Sarah Roberts 3
Pheobe Roberts 5 months
Sarah Sherwood 70 mother

1871
Name: Isaac Bates
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West


Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Bates 42
Martha Bates 39
John Bates 16
Samuel Bates 10
Eliza Bates 6
Isaac Bates 4
Charles Beach 21 lodger

Your right the connection has to be somewhere.
Alice Roberts was registered twice on 1901 cenus. Her birth parents my great - great grandparents died after 1901 and before 1911 they were Edward and Ann Roberts, although in one of the census she was known as Hannah.
In 1911 census Martha Roberts is showing as mother of above i.e Issac Bates. Martha was married to Samuel Bates who is Issac Bates father. I am presumming he died and Martha married George Roberts, who I believe had his own children - maybe also widowed and he had children already. This must be where all the history lies!!!

I have followed Edward back and do not find him with a George at all,I make his father Edward and mother Elizabeth.,but Im not good at making connections !

It has to be there somewhere,but I just cant see it.

George born Bilston and Edward (1823)born west brom.

This is probably the marriage of Isaac's mother to George Roberts:

Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
BATES Martha Dudley 6c 111
Bird Mary Jane Dudley 6c 111
ROBERTS George Dudley 6c 111
Wilson George Dudley 6c 111

Yes ,
Are you sure that Alice is the same child on both the 1901 census?

Seems to be only one birth to fit anyway.

Name: Alice Roberts
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 840

so looking at it again I presume the Bates must have been hers from a previous marriage and the Roberts are his?

I'm so confused now does anyone know why the Bates and Roberts were so mixed?

Sorry that should have been 1881 not 1891

1881
ROBERTS, George Head Married M 44 1837 Puddler In Iron Works
Bilston
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Martha Wife Married F 49 1832
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
BATES, Samuel Step Son Single M 20 1861 Brickmaker
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, John Son Single M 20 1861 Puddler In Iron Works
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
BATES, Eliza Step Daughter Single F 17 1864 Soap Factory Girl
West Bromwich
Staffordshire VIEW
BATES, Isaac Step Son Single M 15 1866 Brickyard Laborer
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Sarah Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Phoebe A Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
West Bromwich

Edit ..still searching to try and find the link..

Thank-you for the step son link, I'm being very dense please help me out so if Alice's natural father was Edward Roberts - how does this link him to Issac Bates?

I'm sure the Rosanna Goodyear mariage is right - birth year matches:

Births Sep 1875 (>99%)
GOODYEAR Rosanna W. Bromwich 6b 816

And I think she went by the name of Rose:


1881 England Census
about Rose Goodyear
Name: Rose Goodyear
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 51 Claypit Lane
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West

Going on the 1891 Isaac is stepson so must be Marthas son I would have thought from a previous marriage for her, which I guess would make him Uncle to Alice?

On 1891 Isaac has a sister called Eliza so maybe this is Dolly?
Pure guess though of course.


Births Sep 1905
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Bates Eliza Dorothy W. Bromwich 6b 864

Probably Dorothy or similar? But could be anything really.
Jan

What would Dolly typically be a nickname for?

How annoying Dolly is a nickname it seems!
Jan

hello Georgina.

I have found this on FreeBMD:

Isaac Obadiah Bates
Married West Bromwich, April/May/June 1897
on the same page (volume 6b, page 1472) is:

Rosannah Goodyear.

David

Hi,
yes the roberts surname was confusing me how the relationship worked because of the follows. In the 1901 census Alice Roberts was registered at her mother and fathers house but also as a visitor with Issac Bates, Rose Bates, Eliza Goodyear and Elizabeth Goodyear. It is Alice Roberts I am really intereste in, but am trying to work out the link to this family. As they (Issac and Rose) had apoted her (Alice) in 1911 - after her birth parents had died - confusing!!!

George

On freeseach year of marriage checks out as 1897.
Jan

Just a guess:

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Bates Isaac Obadiah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Farley William George W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Goodyear Rosannah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Hawkes Harriett W. Bromwich 6b 1472

What about this one?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Bates Isaac Obadiah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Farley William George W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Goodyear Rosannah W. Bromwich 6b 1472
Hawkes Harriett W. Bromwich 6b 1472