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1841 Lookup Please

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Joel

Joel Report 22 Jan 2010 11:27

Could anyone help Please. I'm trying to find the Parents of a William John Howe born 1839 Bury St Edmunds. I've looked on Genes Reunited, and Family Search Org. I've not got the money for ancestry. So would anyone be so kind in to Helping. Thankyou

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Jan 2010 11:38

Have you found him on any later census?

Just wondering where you have got his name and place of birth from

Is he on 1871 census married to Jane ?

Thelma

Thelma Report 22 Jan 2010 11:40

1861
William Howe abt 1839 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England Servant St Marylebone, Middlesex

SharoninGreece

SharoninGreece Report 22 Jan 2010 11:40

A possibility for 1851:
Mistranscribed
1851 England Census
about Wm House
Name: Wm House
[Wm Howe]
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Bury St Edmunds St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas House 38
Sophia House 38
Henry House 14
Wm House 11
Fredk House 8
Elizth House 6


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Joel

Joel Report 22 Jan 2010 11:41

I've worked backwards from myself, going through my father, and his parents etc.

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Jan 2010 11:43

There is this record. At a stretch the surname could be 'How'. Will serach further

1841 England Census
about William Hord
Name: William Hord
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Hundred: Bury St Edmunds
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hord 25 Sawyer
Sophia Hord 25
Mary Hord 6
Henry Hord 4
William Hord 1

Andy


EDIT Appears to be same family as Sharon in 1851!

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Jan 2010 11:43

Do you not have his marriage cert?

A couple of possibles in 1841 in Suffolk but how would you know which is the right one

Joel

Joel Report 22 Jan 2010 11:44

Thankyou Glitter Baby, Sat nav and SharoninGreece, How accurate would the info be, if you don't mind me asking.

Joel

Joel Report 22 Jan 2010 11:47

I don't have any birth certificates, nothing like that. I do know he married a jane nettleton and they lived in wakefield. It's not her am wanting the info on though it's him.

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Jan 2010 11:47

Possible marriage for Thomas and Sophia

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

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THOMAS FREDERICK HOWE Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: SOPHIA FENTON Family
Marriage: 27 MAY 1833 Horningsheath, Suffolk, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.



Andy

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Jan 2010 11:50

Yes but the marriage cert would give the name & occupation of his father which would help with the 1841 and 1851 census.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Jan 2010 11:52

Name: William John Howe
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Jane Nettleton
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Mar 1871
Parish: Saint Mary
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Thomas Howe
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Nettleton


William is a butler, The Grove Lewisham
Father Thomas a sawyer

Witness - Thomas William Harryman and Martha Gaskin




So it could match the 1841 and 1851 census details posted

Andrew

Andrew Report 22 Jan 2010 11:56

Occupation on marrige record fits 1841 census.

Andy

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Jan 2010 11:59

Got to agree with Andrew as the 1841 image is HOW

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Jan 2010 12:03

Please do not post comments such as "It's not her am wanting the info on though it's him."

The members that help on this site are unpaid and not connected to GR

We can only do our best !!!!!!!!!!!

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Jan 2010 12:06

This is what I have for him so far. He is on my tree and I believe we may have been in contact Joel.

1841 Address: Field Lane Willow Factory, St Mary, Bury St Edmund
HOW, Thomas M 25 1816
HOW, Sophia F 25 1816 Suffolk
HOW, Mary F 6 1835 Suffolk
HOW, Henry M 4 1837 Suffolk
HOW, William M 1 1840 Suffolk


1861Address: 60, Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds
HOWE, Thomas Head Married M 49 Sawyer
Ickworth
Suffolk
HOWE, Sophia Wife Married F 49
Chedburgh
Suffolk
HOWE, Henry Son Unmarried M 21 Labourer
Bury
Suffolk
HOWE, Rose Daughter F 9 Scholar
Bury
Suffolk
HOWE, Sarah Daughter F 6 Scholar
Bury
Suffolk
HOWE, William Son M 5 Scholar
Bury
Suffolk

1871 Address: Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds
HOWE, Thomas F Head M 58 1813 Suffolk
HOWE, Sophia Wife F 58 1813 Suffolk
HOWE, Henry Son M 36 1835 Suffolk
HOWE, William O Grandson M 14 1857 Suffolk

Joel

Joel Report 22 Jan 2010 12:11

Sorry Glitter Baby, I was not meaning for that to come out as being un-grateful. I have his wife and her family but come to a complete stop reguarding him. I extremely greatful to all of you that have put in the work, to help find his parents. Thankyou.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Jan 2010 13:41

1871 census - household transcription
Person: HOWE, William
Address: Northgate, Horbury


NETTLETON, Thomas Head M 59 1812 Yorkshire VIEW
NETTLETON, Ann Wife F 60 1811 Yorkshire VIEW
NETTLETON, Joshua Son M 19 1852 Yorkshire VIEW
NETTLETON, Ezra Son M 17 1854 Yorkshire VIEW
HOWE, William Son-In-Law M 32 1839 Suffolk VIEW
HOWE, Jane Daughter F 32 1839 Yorkshire

Thelma

Thelma Report 22 Jan 2010 14:17

We all know that Ancestry is plagued by mistranscriptions,maybe the time is near when findmypast becomes a better proposition.
1851 free look
HOWE, Sophia 1813 38 F Bury Saint Edmunds Suffolk
HOWE, Elizabeth 1845 6 F Bury Saint Edmunds Suffolk
Household HOWE, Frederick 1843 8 M Bury Saint Edmunds Suffolk
Household HOWE, Henry 1837 14 M Bury Saint Edmunds Suffolk
Household HOWE, Thomas 1813 38 M Bury Saint Edmunds Suffolk
Household HOWE, William 1840 11 M Bury Saint Edmunds Suffolk

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 22 Jan 2010 14:21

What i find surprising is that Thomas and Sophia have another son William Frederick in 1857. but in one census he is grandson but not sure who the parent is.

Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
Howe William Frederick Bury St E 4a 463

1861Address: 60, Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds
HOWE, Thomas Head Married M 49 Sawyer
Ickworth
Suffolk
HOWE, Sophia Wife Married F 49
Chedburgh
Suffolk
HOWE, Henry Son Unmarried M 21 Labourer
Bury
Suffolk
HOWE, Rose Daughter F 9 Scholar
Bury
Suffolk
HOWE, Sarah Daughter F 6 Scholar
Bury
Suffolk
HOWE, William Son M 5 Scholar
Bury
Suffolk

1871 Address: Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds
HOWE, Thomas F Head M 58 1813 Suffolk
HOWE, Sophia Wife F 58 1813 Suffolk
HOWE, Henry Son M 36 1835 Suffolk
HOWE, William O Grandson M 14 1857 Suffolk


1881 15 Jerrard Street Lewisham Kent
HARRYMAN, Thos W Head Married M 31 Carpenter
Lee
Kent
HARRYMAN, Rose Ann Wife Married F 29
Bury St Edmunds
Suffolk
HARRYMAN, Frederick Wm Son Single M 9
Lee
Kent
HARRYMAN, Rose Oliver Daughter Single F 7
Lewisham
Kent
HARRYMAN, Matilda Emma Daughter Single F 5
Deptford
Kent
HARRYMAN, Edith Maud Daughter Single F 3
Lewisham
Kent
HARRYMAN, Ellen Daughter Single F 1
Lewisham
Kent
HOWE, William F Brother In Law Single M 24 Carpenter
Bury St Edmunds
Suffolk

1891 Address: 11, Brookbank Road, Lewisham HOWE, William Head Married M 34 Joiner
Bury St Edmunds
Suffolk
HOWE, Mary A Wife Married F 34
Sutton
Surrey
HOWE, Ethel M Daughter F 9
Lewisham
Kent
HOWE, Florence E Daughter F 4
Lewisham
Kent
DREWETT, William G Boarder Single M 23 Traveller
Calwin
Wiltshire