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17 Jan 2010 23:49 |
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I am trying to trace my Grandmothers family, i know she had sisters Edith, and I think two others any help please?
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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17 Jan 2010 23:50 |
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Have you looked on FreeBMD?
Have you found her on any census?
1911 has its own site, as does 1901.
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JaneyCanuck
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18 Jan 2010 03:11 |
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And the big questions: when and where?
What is Chipper? It doesn't seem to be her husband's surname ... or was Huntley her married surname?
You see how it all makes sense to you, but not to us total strangers. Go ahead and give all the info you have!
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18 Jan 2010 03:22 |
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I wonder ...
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CHIPPER RICHARD 1873 38 Medway Kent CHIPPER HARRIETT 1874 37 Medway Kent > CHIPPER ALICE 1908 3 Medway Kent > CHIPPER EDITH 1903 8 Medway Kent CHIPPER RICHARD 1906 5 Medway Kent CHIPPER ROBERT 1910 7 MONTHS Medway Kent
She was Alice Mary H Chipper - could the H be Huntley?
Births Mar 1908 Chipper Alice Mary H Medway 2a 760
Marriages Jun 1931 Chipper Alice M H Smith Kensington 1a 426
Fun guessing, anyhow. ;)
If the surname was meant to be Huntley-Chipper then it would be best not to write it Huntley - Chipper
There's a Huntley-Chipper birth in 1931.
Father Richard Chipper's parents? --
Marriages Sep 1871 ? Chipper Richard Croydon 2a 362 ? Huntley Mary Croydon 2a 362 Jenner Jane Croydon 2a 362 STANLEY George Croydon 2a 362
Births Sep 1872 CHIPPER Richard Huntley Croydon 2a 186
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 12:56 |
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Hi yes I looked on the free bmd coulnt find any thing but I have since got hold of her Marriage cert from my mum Thank you for the help.
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JaneyCanuck
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20 Jan 2010 13:27 |
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Uh ... so was the time I spent wasted? You haven't responded to a single thing posted here to help you.
So simple, to ask your mum for the birth certificate, but hey, why not send a bunch of strangers, or even just me, on a while goose chase in the meantime?
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 14:30 |
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Hi Janey Thank you ill do some double checking but I think you have cracked it. mAY Iplease appologise to all if I take a few days to reply, I do not have 24/7 access to a pc as I share it with my son.
So please do not think me rude I really do appreciate all the help I can get as I am very new to all this, but I must say facinated with it could be very addictive.
A BIG THANKS AGAIN TO ALL
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 14:33 |
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Janey No sorry there was no wild goose chase intended she told me she had no papers at all. Then only yesterday droped the cert through my door. Please I do appreciate all the help people have given me.
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JaneyCanuck
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20 Jan 2010 18:41 |
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Ah, and I hadn't even realized there ws a mystery to crack!
Do come back when you've had time to ponder it and let us know what you think and whether you need help going from there. Don't forget to poke around at FreeBMD too.
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 19:12 |
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I have since found out she was Born 25th Dec 1907 and died 25th Dec 1979,
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JaneyCanuck
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20 Jan 2010 19:29 |
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And that fits with the birth I put above
Births Mar 1908 Chipper Alice Mary H Medway 2a 760
-- she was born in late 1907 and her birth wasn't registered until early 1908.
If you say more about what you're wanting to find out ... ?
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 21:30 |
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Ok any help please as I said My nan was Alice May Huntley-chipper Born 25 Dec 1907 Died 25 th Dec 1999 When she was 8 Years old her dad Died all I can find is it was before 1931 . Apperantly her Mum re married to a Mr Weller I have found a old family friend this is all she can rember my Mum whom is still with us will not or doesnt know much so not many relatives to help my search. I am very new to all this and I am afraid I think I may have annoyed people not my intention I assure you all. I have to get on the pc when I can, not when I would like to sadley.
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LiverBird1
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20 Jan 2010 21:42 |
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father's death?
Deaths Jun 1918 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chipper Richard H 44 Medway 2a 873
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20 Jan 2010 21:43 |
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2nd marriage
Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>Chipper Alice H Weller Strood 2a 1926 Hiscock William J E Summersett Strood 2a 1926 Summersett Margaret W Hiscock Strood 2a 1926 >>>>>Weller William C Chipper Strood 2a 1926
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20 Jan 2010 21:59 |
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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about William C Weller Name: William C Weller Death Registration Month/Year: 1937 Age at death (estimated): 67 Registration district: Medway Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 979
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 22:10 |
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Thanks again, to all Just trying to do the Math, hmm not my strong point the story goes my nan was 8 when her dad died. Robert Chipper or Huntley-Chipper? I think she had a brother also Richard Chipper whom died of something like TB. Ill pay and get the certs from the gro with no worries but what I am afraid of is as I found with my farthers side, I found the same name sons and farther in the IRL 1901 census thinking that was my g/dads farther it wasnt. As I said same name Thomas Keohane Sons Geoerge etc the Name came from Cork what a idiot I felt, as i said I am learning the pit falls and the happy searches thanks to the community spirit on hear.
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JaneyCanuck
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20 Jan 2010 22:36 |
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Looks like LiverBird has found them.
(Mandy and I were just swopping stories about people who burn things in the garden within 10 seconds of when a possibly embarrassing ancestor dies ...)
Re brother Richard - this is the 1911 household I posted with sister Edith you mentioned and also brother Richard.
CHIPPER RICHARD 1873 38 Medway Kent CHIPPER HARRIETT 1874 37 Medway Kent CHIPPER ALICE 1908 3 Medway Kent CHIPPER EDITH 1903 8 Medway Kent > CHIPPER RICHARD 1906 age 5 Medway Kent CHIPPER ROBERT 1910 7 MONTHS Medway Kent
This would be his death -- but again, do do searching at FreeBMD for yourself, it is free, it's easy, and it is far more interesting to make the discoveries.
Deaths Dec 1915 Chipper Richard H age 10 Medway 2a 939
My embarrassing ancestor whose daughter-in-law burned all his papers -- a couple of his younger siblings, in childhood, and his first wife, first child, adult brother, niece, and probably a bunch of other close family died of TB in the last quarter of the 1800s. One story that survived him, that only my uncle seems to remember, is him saying that all of his family died "of a plague", and when I started getting death certificates for the family I had figured out must be his, there they were, death after death of TB. Antibiotics are wonderful things.
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 22:54 |
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What to say but a smile with good humour and say thanks Ill try to get his cert. The sadest part of my search is my dad whom I thiught would not care is I think he seems intrested my mum hmmm hey as we proved all familys have things in the closet. I know my friends sadly now deseased farther traced his famliy back to the 1500s he told some storys :-)
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Mandy
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20 Jan 2010 23:04 |
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I think I need to bite the bullet so to say and go for my nans b/cert. Anyone intrested n spooky but true storys?
I have just had a phone call.... I know my g/farther was a blacksmith.... I have had horses in the past and still love them, my Son is training to be a chef, my GG/gran farther was. N ow I have just been told my great nan used to do the tailoring for the brks. Hey where do I work hmm you guessed it I work for a military tailors to night we seem to go from one thing to another of events that in one way or another suround us all.... What is my nan used to say all goes around that comes around how true that is
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JaneyCanuck
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20 Jan 2010 23:57 |
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My father's father's father's father was a prosperous cabinetmaker in Canterbury.
My brother, born 135 years after that grx2 grandfather we had never heard of, is a cabinetmaker (although there's more money in home renovation, even when you have a fine arts degree) in Canada.
That grx2 grandfather's son, my gr-grandfather, married a woman whose gr-grandmother's brother's grandson was Lord Chancellor of England and a Law Lord. He wrote the decision in the appeal by 5 Canadian women asking, in 1929, that our Constitution be interpreted to say that "persons" who can be appointed to our Senate includes women. He said Yes. The decision also laid out the way to interpret our Constitution that has led to the very broad equality rights we have here today (like same-sex marriage rights).
When I was in law school I had no idea I was related to Viscount Sankey, of course. I would have said my ancestors were all humble farm workers and east enders. If I had known, I could have made people curtsy. ;) I was a lawyer for many years, working mostly for refugees who had suffered persecution because of their religion and so on, I started working in the women's movement when I was 16, the work I do now is largely constitutional law research, and I was the lawyer for the local gay and lesbian association for a while!
And of course my name here is a character from the novels written by one of those "Famous Five" women who went all the way to my second cousin four times removed in the court in London to claim their rights.
Now ... the grandparents of that Canterbury cabinetmaker were expelled back to their home parish under the poor law in 1891, and the cabinetmaker's father spent his last 20 years living in the workhouse. I know that my dad and his dad were not to be trusted with money, and unfortunately I don't think that problem is confined to the male line. ;) I do know my dad worked hard not to be the rotter that his male-line ancestors seem to have been.
My dad's mum was a tailor! And my dad's father's father was a military man who painted the little watercolours of his regimental uniforms that officers used to do back then. Maybe we're related. ;)
Keep working on your mum -- the skeletons are the interesting ones. My mum now knows that her name is not her name at all, it was her grandfather's fake name -- and that her grx2 grandmother was a Hoare!
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