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My father's father's father's father was a prosperous cabinetmaker in Canterbury.

My brother, born 135 years after that grx2 grandfather we had never heard of, is a cabinetmaker (although there's more money in home renovation, even when you have a fine arts degree) in Canada.

That grx2 grandfather's son, my gr-grandfather, married a woman whose gr-grandmother's brother's grandson was Lord Chancellor of England and a Law Lord. He wrote the decision in the appeal by 5 Canadian women asking, in 1929, that our Constitution be interpreted to say that "persons" who can be appointed to our Senate includes women. He said Yes. The decision also laid out the way to interpret our Constitution that has led to the very broad equality rights we have here today (like same-sex marriage rights).

When I was in law school I had no idea I was related to Viscount Sankey, of course. I would have said my ancestors were all humble farm workers and east enders. If I had known, I could have made people curtsy. ;) I was a lawyer for many years, working mostly for refugees who had suffered persecution because of their religion and so on, I started working in the women's movement when I was 16, the work I do now is largely constitutional law research, and I was the lawyer for the local gay and lesbian association for a while!

And of course my name here is a character from the novels written by one of those "Famous Five" women who went all the way to my second cousin four times removed in the court in London to claim their rights.

Now ... the grandparents of that Canterbury cabinetmaker were expelled back to their home parish under the poor law in 1891, and the cabinetmaker's father spent his last 20 years living in the workhouse. I know that my dad and his dad were not to be trusted with money, and unfortunately I don't think that problem is confined to the male line. ;) I do know my dad worked hard not to be the rotter that his male-line ancestors seem to have been.

My dad's mum was a tailor! And my dad's father's father was a military man who painted the little watercolours of his regimental uniforms that officers used to do back then. Maybe we're related. ;)

Keep working on your mum -- the skeletons are the interesting ones. My mum now knows that her name is not her name at all, it was her grandfather's fake name -- and that her grx2 grandmother was a Hoare!

I think I need to bite the bullet so to say and go for my nans b/cert.
Anyone intrested n spooky but true storys?

I have just had a phone call.... I know my g/farther was a blacksmith.... I have had horses in the past and still love them, my Son is training to be a chef, my GG/gran farther was. N
ow I have just been told my great nan used to do the tailoring for the brks. Hey where do I work hmm you guessed it I work for a military tailors to night we seem to go from one thing to another of events that in one way or another suround us all.... What is my nan used to say all goes around that comes around how true that is

What to say but a smile with good humour and say thanks Ill try to get his cert. The sadest part of my search is my dad whom I thiught would not care is I think he seems intrested my mum hmmm hey as we proved all familys have things in the closet.
I know my friends sadly now deseased farther traced his famliy back to the 1500s he told some storys :-)

Looks like LiverBird has found them.

(Mandy and I were just swopping stories about people who burn things in the garden within 10 seconds of when a possibly embarrassing ancestor dies ...)

Re brother Richard - this is the 1911 household I posted with sister Edith you mentioned and also brother Richard.

CHIPPER RICHARD 1873 38 Medway Kent
CHIPPER HARRIETT 1874 37 Medway Kent
CHIPPER ALICE 1908 3 Medway Kent
CHIPPER EDITH 1903 8 Medway Kent
> CHIPPER RICHARD 1906 age 5 Medway Kent
CHIPPER ROBERT 1910 7 MONTHS Medway Kent

This would be his death -- but again, do do searching at FreeBMD for yourself, it is free, it's easy, and it is far more interesting to make the discoveries.

Deaths Dec 1915
Chipper Richard H age 10 Medway 2a 939

My embarrassing ancestor whose daughter-in-law burned all his papers -- a couple of his younger siblings, in childhood, and his first wife, first child, adult brother, niece, and probably a bunch of other close family died of TB in the last quarter of the 1800s. One story that survived him, that only my uncle seems to remember, is him saying that all of his family died "of a plague", and when I started getting death certificates for the family I had figured out must be his, there they were, death after death of TB. Antibiotics are wonderful things.

Thanks again, to all
Just trying to do the Math, hmm not my strong point the story goes my nan was 8 when her dad died. Robert Chipper or Huntley-Chipper?
I think she had a brother also Richard Chipper whom died of something like TB. Ill pay and get the certs from the gro with no worries but what I am afraid of is as I found with my farthers side, I found the same name sons and farther in the IRL 1901 census thinking that was my g/dads farther it wasnt. As I said same name Thomas Keohane Sons Geoerge etc the Name came from Cork what a idiot I felt, as i said I am learning the pit falls and the happy searches thanks to the community spirit on hear.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about William C Weller
Name: William C Weller
Death Registration Month/Year: 1937
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 979

2nd marriage

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
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>>>>>Chipper Alice H Weller Strood 2a 1926
Hiscock William J E Summersett Strood 2a 1926
Summersett Margaret W Hiscock Strood 2a 1926
>>>>>Weller William C Chipper Strood 2a 1926

father's death?

Deaths Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Chipper Richard H 44 Medway 2a 873

Ok any help please as I said My nan was Alice May Huntley-chipper Born 25 Dec 1907 Died 25 th Dec 1999
When she was 8 Years old her dad Died all I can find is it was before 1931 . Apperantly her Mum re married to a Mr Weller I have found a old family friend this is all she can rember my Mum whom is still with us will not or doesnt know much so not many relatives to help my search. I am very new to all this and I am afraid I think I may have annoyed people not my intention I assure you all.
I have to get on the pc when I can, not when I would like to sadley.

And that fits with the birth I put above

Births Mar 1908
Chipper Alice Mary H Medway 2a 760

-- she was born in late 1907 and her birth wasn't registered until early 1908.

If you say more about what you're wanting to find out ... ?

I have since found out she was Born 25th Dec 1907 and died 25th Dec 1979,

Ah, and I hadn't even realized there ws a mystery to crack!

Do come back when you've had time to ponder it and let us know what you think and whether you need help going from there. Don't forget to poke around at FreeBMD too.

Janey
No sorry there was no wild goose chase intended she told me she had no papers at all.
Then only yesterday droped the cert through my door.
Please I do appreciate all the help people have given me.

Hi Janey
Thank you ill do some double checking but I think you have cracked it.
mAY Iplease appologise to all if I take a few days to reply, I do not have 24/7 access to a pc as I share it with my son.

So please do not think me rude I really do appreciate all the help I can get as I am very new to all this, but I must say facinated with it could be very addictive.

A BIG THANKS AGAIN TO ALL

Uh ... so was the time I spent wasted? You haven't responded to a single thing posted here to help you.

So simple, to ask your mum for the birth certificate, but hey, why not send a bunch of strangers, or even just me, on a while goose chase in the meantime?

Hi yes I looked on the free bmd coulnt find any thing but I have since got hold of her Marriage cert from my mum
Thank you for the help.

I wonder ...


1911

CHIPPER RICHARD 1873 38 Medway Kent
CHIPPER HARRIETT 1874 37 Medway Kent
> CHIPPER ALICE 1908 3 Medway Kent
> CHIPPER EDITH 1903 8 Medway Kent
CHIPPER RICHARD 1906 5 Medway Kent
CHIPPER ROBERT 1910 7 MONTHS Medway Kent


She was Alice Mary H Chipper - could the H be Huntley?

Births Mar 1908
Chipper Alice Mary H Medway 2a 760

Marriages Jun 1931
Chipper Alice M H Smith Kensington 1a 426


Fun guessing, anyhow. ;)


If the surname was meant to be
Huntley-Chipper
then it would be best not to write it
Huntley - Chipper

There's a Huntley-Chipper birth in 1931.

Father Richard Chipper's parents? --

Marriages Sep 1871
? Chipper Richard Croydon 2a 362
? Huntley Mary Croydon 2a 362
Jenner Jane Croydon 2a 362
STANLEY George Croydon 2a 362

Births Sep 1872
CHIPPER Richard Huntley Croydon 2a 186

And the big questions: when and where?

What is Chipper? It doesn't seem to be her husband's surname ... or was Huntley her married surname?

You see how it all makes sense to you, but not to us total strangers. Go ahead and give all the info you have!

Have you looked on FreeBMD?

Have you found her on any census?

1911 has its own site, as does 1901.

Jill

I am trying to trace my Grandmothers family, i know she had sisters Edith, and I think two others any help please?