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You may be right Nicky. Either way, thanks for all your efforts, and to everyone else too. Need to close the book on this one!
Cheers.
Jan

There a lot of 1851 census records for the North west/ Manchester area that are missing in 1851, ruined or destroyed by fire, can`t remember which.

My gr grandfather married in Liverpool in 1848, I can then find no trace of him till 1861, so if Keziah was in service up that way the records may have been destroyed.....she obviously wasn`t adverse to travelling as she was in Kent for a while ,then back up in the midlands, so it is a posssibility.


Nicky

Thank you for looking Nicky. Yes, that baptism is the one - her father married twice, Leah was his 1st wife. Reassuring to be able to discount the other Kesiah, thanks for that.
I don't think she wanted to be found do you?
Jan

I`m ahead of you Jan...already searched for Keziah Collier 1851 and found nothing...

Theres a baptism on IGI {submitted} for Keziah born Tardbigge parents David and Leah......

Then another one around the same time for Keziah Harris in Abbotts Moreton, wonder if thats the one I found for you initially on the 1851 census working as a servant.

Which if it is ,means you can maybe discount the one i found you.

Nicky

I have no idea why they married so late - yes, it is them. I don't think they had any children, at least not as far as I can see. I have them in later censuses, with other family members, so there is no doubt of my info.
The only thing I haven't done is pursue her as Kesiah Collier in 1851, mainly because Edward is single and living with his parents.
Should I give up do you think?
Maybe she was in prison - that side of my family always was a bit dodgy ...
Jan

Right got the marriage then I presume...?

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
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BENNETT Ellen Matilda King's N 6c 634
>>>>COLLIER Edward King's N 6c 634
Gray John Weldon King's N. 6c 634
>>>>>Harris Kezia King's N 6c 634

So they were together at least 16 years before getting married, they don`t seem to have any children with them at all, did they not have any?


Nicky

Hi again Nicky - you haven't given up yet then, you brave woman!
They did marry, but a bit later!

Marriages Jun 1876

COLLIER Edward King's N 6c 634
Harris Kezia King's N 6c 634

Her family 1851 (the Leland in 1841 is actually Selina!):

1851 England Census

Name: David Harris
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Tardebigg, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas

David Harris 53
Emma Harris 44
Selina Harris 23
Elizabeth Harris 8
Letitia Harris 6
Martha Harris 4

Did she not marry Edward Collier then...I can`t see a marriage.

She puts Foxlydiate as place of birth in 1881 as well, its 2.5 miles from Tardbigge, so she does seem to be consistent there.

Do you have the rest of her family in 1851 or are they all missing?


Nicky

Me again. Keziah never puts just Worcs, always places around the same area. She seemed to favour Fox Lydiate in later years!
Jan

And 1871!

1871 England Census

Name: Kezia Collier
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Foxlidate, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Chatham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Name Age
Edward Collier 42
Kezia Collier 40
Florence Shand 7

Jan

Good point, thanks for asking. Here she is with Edward 1861 - Redditch is the same general area::

1861 England Census

Name: Kezia Collier
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Redditch, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Strood
Town: Strood
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: North Aylesford
Sub-registration district: Strood

Name Age
Edward Collier 32
Kezia Collier 30
John Danford 18

Jan,
Do you have the rest of her family in 1851?

When did she marry Edward Collier? and does she always give Tardbigge as her place of birth on the other census`s ,? or a more general area?

Nicky.

The distances are beginning to addle my brain! I am looking at distances from Tardebigge, what is everyone else looking at! Seriously, I have no evidence of a sister Esther, so I am back to square one - I think!
I appreciate everyone's help, put me right please if my geography has gone astray!
Many thanks.
Jan

Hi Jan,

The address on the census is shown as Wadborogh and a quick google search has shown Norton as 2 miles away (as the crow flies)!

On the full census that Nicky shows, it looks as though her younger sister Esther was working with her.

Hope your head is ok :-)
Ruth

Hi Ruth.
This looks like the one Nicky found, though her birthplace different - my brain is spinning now. Back to good old googlemap, distance now down to 28 miles! Feels like an auction is going on.
Thank you very much, will keep this in mind also.
Jan

Thanks Dee.
I don't think this is her. This place is some 35 miles from Tardebigge. Also, she eventually married Edward Collier under her maiden name of Kesiah Harris.
Thanks for looking though! I think she has done a hiding job! Ho hum.
Jan

I think it could be her as the birthplace is listed as Norton on the single entry and that is not far away.


Name Kezia Harriss
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1830
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation House Servant
Address Wadborough
District Pershore, Pershore, Wadborough and Pirton
Parish
Administrative County Worcestershire
Birth Place Norton
Birth County Worcestershire

Hi Jan,

I don't know the geography of Worcs, so wondered about this;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
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HARRIS Keziah Tewkesbury 11 585
Wilson Thomas Alfred Tewkesbury 11 585



1851 England Census
about Kezia Wilson
Name: Kezia Wilson
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Alfred T
Gender: Female
Where born: Overbury, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Overbury
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Tewkesbury
Sub-registration district: Deerhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred T Wilson 22
Kezia Wilson 21
Fredrick W Wilson 2


EDIT:
AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!

1851 England Census
about Kezia Harriss
Name: Kezia Harriss
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Moreton, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Pershore Holy Cross
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Pershore
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7d, 9, and 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Smithen 60
Elizabeth Smithen 55
Joseph Smithen 25
Kezia Harriss 21
Esther Harriss 16
Joseph Smith 22
William Clark 16





Dee x

Thanks Nicky.

This is hard to say, the main problem with it is the birthplace - have just checked and Moreton is some 50 miles from Tardebigge! If she is a servant mistakes are likely though, so will keep it in my sights.

Thanks for looking for me.

Jan

Is this her?/

SMITHIN, Bejamin Head Married M 60 1791 Farmer Of 500 Acres Employing 20 Lab
Birlingham
Worcestershire VIEW
SMITHIN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 55 1796 Farmers Wife
Wadbro
Worcestershire VIEW
SMITHIN, Joseph Son Unmarried M 25 1826
Wadbro
Worcestershire VIEW
HARRISS, Kezia Servant Unmarried F 21 1830 House Servant
Moreton
Worcestershire VIEW
HARRISS, Esther Servant Unmarried F 16 1835 House Servant
Feckenham
Worcestershire VIEW
SMITH, Joseph Servant Unmarried M 22 1829 Farm Lab
Fladbury
Worcestershire VIEW
CLARK, William Servant Unmarried M 16 1835 Farm Lab
Wadbro
Worcestershire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2045 Folio:
307 Page:
7

Registration District:
Pershore Sub District:
Pershore EnumerationDistrict:
7D, 9 & 10 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Holy Cross Municipal Borough:
Address:
Wadbro House, Hamlet Of Wadborough, Holy Cross County:
Worcestershire



Nicky