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I think the best thing for me is to wait and see what the birth cert of JHR 1886 says and go from there .

Thank you again for your help i will look more closely at what is being asked in future .

You say,,,,the 1891c it says that JHR 1860 was born Salford and JHR 1886 was born Norfolk.

This is so,BUT on other census JHR 1860 says he is born Norfolk,this needs pondering on I think.

ALL these with the same name are getting confusing i thought you were asking for the one 1860.I appologise to you

I did John Henry born1860/61 was a Shoemaker
His father was a Weaver

and the son born 1886 was a Rivetter

I have just sent for the two birth certs 1860 and 1886 so hopefully that will answer the question.

on the 1891c it says that JHR 1860 was born Salford and JHR 1886 was born Norfolk

Pam...

This is what Freewheel has been been asking.

occupation of the FATHER of the one born c1861.

You have the marriage cert for the one born 1860/61 you say, but do not give his Fathers occupation,just his name,John Henry Raspberry.
Also the witness,s names may help,and his address on it.

You asked me for JHR 1861 occupation i answered that in the previose message he was a SHOEMAKER

I'll leave you to it, Pam, as you don't seem willing to answer the questions.

Good luck

Please don't think i am leaving it all to you to find i am looking myself all the time .
I am just about to go on to family search to see if there is anything there.

I am VERY grateful for all the help you give

We KNOW the occupations of the ones we have located for you - that info is on the census records!

I asked about the occupation of the FATHER of the one born c1861 - you say you have the marriage cert - the info will be on there.

And you STILL haven't said if you've looked for/found a death for him.

We can't help you unless you read carefully - and answer - the questions that we pose....................

sorry i did'nt get back to you comp went down.
JHR 1860-61 occupation was Shoemaker.
JHR 1886 was a Printer .
I know what you are saying about him being born in Salford but like you say i could'nt find one born in Norfolk.
I did find a couple of deaths
JHR age 83 died 1943 which makes dob 1860 so very poss
JHRaspery age 80 in 1965 dob 1885-86
I might have to send for JHR 1886 birth certificate what do you think

Pam

You haven't answered the question I asked ages ago about the occupation of the 'father' of the one born c1861

Nor have you said whether you have found a death for him....................

Births Mar 1886

RASPBERRY John Henry Norwich 4b 187

Interesting 1911 from Freewheels 1901

Address:
50 Pitt St Norwich

NORMAN, George Head Married M 53 1858 Boot Rivetter Norwich
NORMAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 29 1882 Silk Filler Norwich
NORMAN, George Son Single M 20 1891 Carter Grocer Norwich
NORMAN, Ethel Daughter Single F 18 1893 Boot Machinest Norwich
NORMAN, Ellen Daughter Single F 14 1897 Day Girl Norwich
NORMAN, Bertie Son Single M 17 1894 Brushmaker Norwich
RASPERY, John Henry Boarder Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Printer's Machinist London
RASPERY, Maud Alice Daughter Married
3 years F 25 1886 Silk Mill Hand Norwich
RASPERY, Albert Edward Adopted Son M 10 1901 School Norwich
RASPERY, William John Grandson M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Norwich


Pam..
Its very unlikely that "your"John Henry 1861 was born in Salford,it would seem that he was more likely born in Norfolk.

But saying that,there does not seem to be a birth in Norfolk for him...

Hi Colin yes thats a possable.
and yes that might be the right one in 1860 maybe i should send for the cert

1901

Name: John W Raspberry
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rosa E
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Norwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Benedict
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
John W Raspberry 40 <<<<<<<<<<<<Image shows second name initial to be H: Occ: Boot maker
Rosa E Raspberry 32
John H Raspberry 15
Frank Raspberry 13
Lilly Raspberry 11
Albert E Raspberry under 3 months

John Henry no 3 was a weaver.

It's frustrating you know Pam --

"His son was also John Henry Raspery born 1861 Salford Lancashire"

But he wasn't. Viv has provided the birth record. He was born 1860. This is what FreeBMD is for. And he was born Raspberry, not Raspery.

sorry if i'm a bit slow in answering my comp playing up.
No have'nt found a birth.

And you are right i did assume and yes he could be the youngest of 12 i never thought of it that way.
Thank you for the birth of John 1860

Name: John Henry Raspberry + Rosella Sawyer Farrow
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Norwich
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 425

The name does seem to be Norfolkish from the earlier censuses.

Hi is this the son
1891 census

Name John Raspberry
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Shoe Maker
Address 64 Scawfold Street
District Shoreditch, Haggerston
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place Salford
Birth County Lancashire
in house
john head 30
rosa wife 25
john 5
frank 3
lily 1