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I am looking for a John Henry Raspberry born about 1840.
Don't know where.

His son was also John Henry Raspery born 1861 Salford Lancashire He married Rosella Sawyer Farrow in 1885 ,i have the marriage cert

.His son was also John Henry Raspery born 1886 in London he married Alice Norman in 1907 i also have that marriage cert.

As you can see the spelling of the surname changes but i can't find the John Henry from 1840ish in any census.

Maybe a new pair of eyes might help
.Thank you
Pam

Have you looked for one born 1861 on the census returns?

Have you checked deaths to ascertain whether the 'father' actually existed?

Can you say how you know JHR Sr was born 1840ish if you don't have him in a census? Do you have his marriage certificate? Any chance of his wife's name? Any other kids?

It all goes into the mix for searching!

I particularly hate the assumption that a father was 20ish years older than a child. The child could have been the last of 12!

Name: John Raspberry
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 77

Where did middle name Henry come from?

Yes can't find him either in the 1861 or 1871 there is no record of the 2 elder ones on fbm so stuck .

What was the 'father's' occupation on the marriage cert?

Hi is this the son
1891 census

Name John Raspberry
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Shoe Maker
Address 64 Scawfold Street
District Shoreditch, Haggerston
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place Salford
Birth County Lancashire
in house
john head 30
rosa wife 25
john 5
frank 3
lily 1

Name: John Henry Raspberry + Rosella Sawyer Farrow
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Norwich
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 425

The name does seem to be Norfolkish from the earlier censuses.

sorry if i'm a bit slow in answering my comp playing up.
No have'nt found a birth.

And you are right i did assume and yes he could be the youngest of 12 i never thought of it that way.
Thank you for the birth of John 1860

It's frustrating you know Pam --

"His son was also John Henry Raspery born 1861 Salford Lancashire"

But he wasn't. Viv has provided the birth record. He was born 1860. This is what FreeBMD is for. And he was born Raspberry, not Raspery.

John Henry no 3 was a weaver.

1901

Name: John W Raspberry
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rosa E
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Norwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Benedict
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
John W Raspberry 40 <<<<<<<<<<<<Image shows second name initial to be H: Occ: Boot maker
Rosa E Raspberry 32
John H Raspberry 15
Frank Raspberry 13
Lilly Raspberry 11
Albert E Raspberry under 3 months

Hi Colin yes thats a possable.
and yes that might be the right one in 1860 maybe i should send for the cert

Interesting 1911 from Freewheels 1901

Address:
50 Pitt St Norwich

NORMAN, George Head Married M 53 1858 Boot Rivetter Norwich
NORMAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 29 1882 Silk Filler Norwich
NORMAN, George Son Single M 20 1891 Carter Grocer Norwich
NORMAN, Ethel Daughter Single F 18 1893 Boot Machinest Norwich
NORMAN, Ellen Daughter Single F 14 1897 Day Girl Norwich
NORMAN, Bertie Son Single M 17 1894 Brushmaker Norwich
RASPERY, John Henry Boarder Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Printer's Machinist London
RASPERY, Maud Alice Daughter Married
3 years F 25 1886 Silk Mill Hand Norwich
RASPERY, Albert Edward Adopted Son M 10 1901 School Norwich
RASPERY, William John Grandson M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Norwich


Pam..
Its very unlikely that "your"John Henry 1861 was born in Salford,it would seem that he was more likely born in Norfolk.

But saying that,there does not seem to be a birth in Norfolk for him...

Births Mar 1886

RASPBERRY John Henry Norwich 4b 187

Pam

You haven't answered the question I asked ages ago about the occupation of the 'father' of the one born c1861

Nor have you said whether you have found a death for him....................

sorry i did'nt get back to you comp went down.
JHR 1860-61 occupation was Shoemaker.
JHR 1886 was a Printer .
I know what you are saying about him being born in Salford but like you say i could'nt find one born in Norfolk.
I did find a couple of deaths
JHR age 83 died 1943 which makes dob 1860 so very poss
JHRaspery age 80 in 1965 dob 1885-86
I might have to send for JHR 1886 birth certificate what do you think

We KNOW the occupations of the ones we have located for you - that info is on the census records!

I asked about the occupation of the FATHER of the one born c1861 - you say you have the marriage cert - the info will be on there.

And you STILL haven't said if you've looked for/found a death for him.

We can't help you unless you read carefully - and answer - the questions that we pose....................

Please don't think i am leaving it all to you to find i am looking myself all the time .
I am just about to go on to family search to see if there is anything there.

I am VERY grateful for all the help you give

I'll leave you to it, Pam, as you don't seem willing to answer the questions.

Good luck