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MaureeninNY thank you for posting the 1911 details for me.

Jonesey: Yet again you have come up with such useful information. Thank you very much. I have sent an email to the LMA to ask what records they may have. (I am hoping they will do a look up for me - too far from London to just drop in).

It is nice to think that Harriett had a chance in education, so many children didn't get those chances back in 1911. Her family consisted of mainly shepherds, with little to their names, so it would be nice to find something which indicates she had the best of oportunities in her lifetime.

Thanks for all the help.
Dee

1911 census transcription details for: West London District School, WEST LONDON DISTRICT SCHOOL

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN6742 RG78PN335 RD126 SD1 ED18 SN1


Reg. District: Staines Sub District: Sunbury
Parish: Ashford Enum. District: 18
Address: Ashford Middlesex
County: Middlesex
BIRD, Harriett Scholar Inmate F 13 1898 Not Known


Maureen

never thought about her working in an institution. Thankyou Quinsgran

Dee.

You asked why Harriet was in an institution. An institution on the 1911 can be a school,hospital boarding house,lodgings etc. She was 13 , old enough to work so she could be doing that.

Ask someone who has a 1911 census subscription to find out where she is

Well done MaureeninNY

This looks promising! Thank you

Name: Ellen Valentine Bird (I can't read her address)
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Spouse Name: Joseph Clarke Occ:Carman
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Aug 1920
Parish: Saint Alban, Fulham
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Robert Bird deceased
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Clarke Occ:Carman

Witnesses were Charles J Holmes and Rose ? Nichols


Maureen

Hi all, I'm back.

Elizabeth & Linda B - That is them in 1901. And thank you Linda for the buriel details, I didn't have that.

Jonesy - Why would Harriett be in an institution, Why wouldn't Ellen be with her? She is not with Sarah and her new husband, though I haven't looked for a death of Ellen. Sarah was born in Lambeth around 1865, so that fits.

Ginny - I have ancestry membership, but not world wide so should I need anything, I will get back to you. Thankyou for the offer.

Quinsgran & Glitter Babe - Not sure about Leggett marriage, possible, but again, where are the children, and there is the question of Sarah's age?? I do not know her father's name, I will be ordering the marriage cert to Robert over the next week (have a few to get so have to decide which to get first - more money to spend) I guess that will help to decide which marriage might fit.

Elizabeth and Freewheel - It is Robert Bird I am following. He was born 1849 in Gayton, Norfolk. I found him on the 1901 census where it read Grayton, Norfolk, this is where I found his wife's name and the two girls Harriett and Ellen. I saw that Sarah had he mother with them and looked for Robert and Sarah's marriage, which I found in Sept 1/4 1896 Fulham. I wanted to find them in 1911 but couldn't find them. I then found the death of Robert but couldn't find the other's either which is why I asked GR members.

So I will have to work on all this new info. I had already found Robert's brother Henry and mother Ann with Henry's family at 140 Bronsart Road, Fulham in 1911.

I will order the marriage cert and make sure it is the correct family. My interests lie in the Bird line, and I was hoping I would find a son somewhere for Robert, but the line of birds may well have ended in this branch of the tree. As mentioned by Elizabeth, there seem to be a lot of Birds in Fulham. I do wonder how many more are from my clan in Gayton, Old Buckenham and Snetterton there are.

I do wonder about the place of birth for Ellen on the 1901 census. Devonshire?? why would she have been born there? I did find a birth record on ancestry for an Ellen Valentine Bird born March 1/4 1900 in Fulham, which fits the age and area on the 1901 census, but Devonshire? Robert was in Lincolnshire in 1891 and with his family prior to that. Very strange!

Once again, thank you to everyone for your input.
Regards
Dee

Glitter Baby.
The Sarah Bird /Alexander Leggett looks good. Strange the 1911 census said they were married 14 years . I wonder if its supposed to be 14 days

1901 census
Alexander Leggett 33 Whitley Suffolk occ horsekeeper groom
living Fulham
I can see the full details to see who hes with

Claire, were you having a bad day??

1911 census transcription details for: 16 Caroline Place Fulham S W

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN292 RG78PN9 RD3 SD3 ED26 SN79


Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: North West Fulham
Parish: Fulham Enum. District: 26
Address: 16 Caroline Place Fulham S W
County: London

LEGGETT, Alexander Head Married M 43 1868 General Labourer Suffolk
LEGGETT, Sarah Wife Married
14 years??? F 42 1869 London Lambeth


Maureen

Thank you to all of you. I have only just picked up the messages (back at work today). I will look into them all later as they prove interesting reading. Sorry for not giving any dob's.

As regards to the comments made about buying more credits. I would, but I cannot justify spending more when my ancestry renewal is due soon, my husband would have a hissy fit if I spent more right now!

I realise that I was a bit cheeky to ask for someone else to look up, I have done many look-ups over the past 3 years for other GR members, and was hoping that someone would do the same for me. And you have! Thanks to all of you. I thought this is what the Records office on GR is all about -asking for help??

to Claire in Lincs

I have not been offended by your comment, but perhaps they could have been less, shall we say, harsh! I WILL buy more credits later when I can.

to everyone else, I will get back to you later. Thank you again

Dee

1911 is free to search, and household groupings can be found by correct use of the search procedure.

You haven't given any birth years in your request, so we are lacking some essential details to make a fully-informed search

Just looked at the image for Sarah Bird to Leggett marriage in 1911

She is age 42, widow, char woman, 16 Caroline Place.
Name of her father looks like William McCraig, carpenter, deceased


Name: Sarah Bird
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Alexander Leggett
Spouse Age: 43
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Jan 1911
Parish: Saint Augustine, Fulham
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: William McCraig
Spouse Father Name: George Leggett

Possbly the burial of the death reg you found Dee..

Name: Robert Bird
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 23 Nov 1908
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Parish: Saint Nicholas, Tooting Graveney
Borough: Wandsworth
County: Middlesex

Linda x

Jonesey

I am so glad that it's not just me being sensitive! I thought that comment was so unnecessary

Not everyone has the resources to buy credits willy nilly and that could be why Dee asked very politely for help

I don’t have subs for 1911, but if you need anything from Ancestry World Wide Dee, please let me know

Ginny
x

Buy some more then

There is this marriage Sarah Bird 1911 mar qt Fulham to either Alexander Leggett or George F Francis.

Perhaps.
1911 census
Alexander Leggett 1868
Sarah Leggett 1869

living Fulham
Sarah might have knocked a few years off her age because she was older than him

Just for ref...1901...sorry Dee I don't have access, no credits left either to 1911..

Name: Sarah Bird
[Sarah McCraig]
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Bird 50
Sarah Bird 36
Harriet Bird 3>>>born West Kensington
Ellen Bird 1
Jane McCraig 70
Annie Brooker 12
Louisa Breman 31

Ellen could have been born at Plymstock, Devon. Ancestry states Promsbock although the image possibly reads Primstock.

Dear Dee

Hello

They are lots of families with the surname of Bird.

What are the years of birth for
Sarah, Harriet and Ellen Bird?

Best wishes