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Mary and Alison, Thanks for the new information, sorry not to have got back to you before, just had a bash on finding the tree on Ancestry Mary and it worked. I shall get all the info received from you good folk together and then pass it on to my relative who is being a bit elusive at the moment, could be having a late Christmas with her son and family as the proper Christmas was cancelled due to illness. She did tell me that there is said to be a connection with the Manders Paint family but can't pin it down, maybe now she will be able to get further with that strand.
Thanks everyone again
Good wishes Karen.

Benjamin Dudley Mander born 9/11/1835 baptised 26/2/1837 St Thomas Dudley son of William and Susannah
William Mander bap 13/4/1794 Avon Dasset Warwickshire son of William and Sarah

Benjamin Dudley Mander born 9/11/1835 baptised 26/2/1837 St Thomas Dudley son of William and Susannah
William Mander bap 13/4/1794 Avon Dasset Warwickshire

1851 Bromley Kingswynford
William Mander 57 Coal Miner b Stratford on Avon Warwickshire
Susannah 56 wife b Dudley
William H 17 Coal miner b Dudley
Benjamin 16 Coal miner b Dudley
Mary Jane Doughty 7 grandaur b West Bromwich

In 1881 Benjamin is 19 Labourer in coal pit living Water St Kingswynford with parents (one addl sibling Catherine 8) and two grandchildren to his parents Clara Davis 6 and Jonah Davis 4
Benjamin Maunder (sic) married Catherine Page 1854 Sep Q Dudley 6c 143

1871 Chapel St Kingswynford Staffs
Benjn Mander 35 Labourer b Dudley
Catherine 38 b Kingswynford
Hannah 15
Sarah 12
John 11
BENJAMIN 9
Emma 6
Albert 4
Alice 3
William 1 all born Kingswynford

Hi.
The Mander Family are well known in the Wolverhampton Area. I dont know if its the same family but you could research Wightwick Manor(google) and it will tell you they were famous for Mander Paint. I noticed that for some of your relatives they were from Tettenhall and that would indicate that it might be the same family. Hope this helps.
Ali

Go to Ancestry .co.uk put in search Benjamin Mander 1862 Staffordshire then click search.

It comes up with census results and on top line it says family trees,press that.
The first tree what comes up is Benjamins just click on that and it should open up for you.

Maryb

Sorry for the delay getting back Mary, internet connection blip, we live in far west of Cornwall and sometimes get problems (and always it seems when you are on to something interesting.). Have just printed off all the info and will be studying it and taking a look at trees on here and on Ancestry - only thing is I've never looked at one on Ancestry before just how do you access someone's tree on there?
I'll be in touch with my relative when she is back from visiting family and let her have this info after taking a look myself.
Thanks again Karen

No its not my tree anybody who is a member can look at it.

Maryb

The only one i found on 1911 census was Ida who was a servant and unmarried.
Norfolk House
Kingswingford.
There is marriege for Ida Emma Mander with same parents marrying before 1924 in Canada to Albert james Valois.
A daeth for benjamin Mander 1925 in Stourbridge staffs age 62 so he would have been born about 1863 so i think this is Ida's dad. Benjamin Dudley Mander died 1906 so maybe this is the one with mental problems.

Maryb

Thanks all, Mary, info you gave from Ancestry Tree sounds like the right family, especially as I had been told that Gladys had many children! Can I ask is this your tree or can my relative access it herself (we are both with Ancestry). Any more info out there?
Anyone found anything on the death of Benjamin or indeed his wife Mary (Brookes), or even any long shots?
Just going to get a bite to eat, - I'll be back soon.
Karen

There are three trees on here with Benjamin 1862 and Benjamin 1836.

Maybe they could help.

Maryb

Benjamin Mander married Mary Ann Brookes 1885 Dec Q West Bromwich
vol 8b page 1089
This cert (£7 online from GRO) will give you his age occupation address and his fathers name and occupation
THEN he can be found with more certainty

Could be that one Ann, don't know, was hoping that by giving the childrens names a link could be made through them.
Karen

Benjamin mander born 1862 to Benjamin dudley mander 1836-1906 and Catherine Page they had 8 children.

Benjamin married Mary ann Brookes and had
Mabel gertrude 1886-`1916
Benjamin J T 1889-1947
Howard 1891-1971
Ida emma 1892=1952
Gladys ann 1896 1981 she married and had 11 children died in ontario canada.

All info off tree on Ancestry.

Maryb

1871 says they were in Kingswingford and also there in 1881.

Robert MANDER Head M Male 37 Tidmarston, Gloucester, England General Laborer
Ellen C. MANDER Wife M Female 25 London, London, Middlesex, England Laundress
Fredrick MANDER Son Male 3 Wolverhampton
Benjamin Thos. MANDER Son Male 11 m Wolverhampton


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Source Information:
Dwelling 13 Fox Lane
Census Place Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341671
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2801 / 38
Page Number 21

1891 England Census
about Benjaman Howard Mander
Name: Benjaman Howard Mander
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tettenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Tettenhall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Tettenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Mander 60
Jemima Tecton Mander 34
Charlotte Pearsall Mander 30
Benjaman Howard Mander 29
Gertrude S Jackson 27
Sarah Fieldhouse Aston 57
Ellen Maria Wilks 59
Jerry Jones 69
Sarah Green 32
Sophia Tomkinson 31
Annie Bentley 29
Florence Elizabeth Evans 18


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BENJAMIN DUDLEY MANDER Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 09 NOV 1835

Christening: 26 FEB 1837 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MANDER Family
Mother: SUSANNAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

BENJAMIN MANDER Pedigree
Male Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA BAYLIS Family
Marriage: 02 AUG 1835 Saint Bartholomew, Tardebigg, Worcester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

there are a lot of Benjamin Mander's in Worcester and Staffs!!

BENJAMIN JOSEPH MANDER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 MAR 1865 Saint Bartholomew, Tardebigg, Worcester, England
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Parents:
Father: BENJAMIN MANDER Family
Mother: MARIA


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.