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1851 England Census about Lucy Green
Name: Lucy Green
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Female
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Chippy Hill
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Witham
Sub-registration district: Kelvedon
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
William Green 45 .. Farm Labourer
Esther Green 45
Peter Green 14 .. Farm Labourer
Lucy Green 12
Walter Green 10
William Green 8
John Green 6
George Green 3

1841 England Census about Lucy Green
Name: Lucy Green
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Hundred: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Post Hall End
Occupation: -

Registration district: Witham
Sub-registration district: Witham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Green 35 .. Ag. Lab.
Esther Green 35
Eliza Green 11
Wm Green 10
Sarah Green 9
Jane Green 8
Mary Ann Green 6
Peter Green 5
Lucy Green 2
Walter Green 8 Mo

1851 England Census about Thomas Rutland
Name: Thomas Rutland
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Marston St Lawrence

Civil parish: Marston St Lawrence
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation: A. Lab

Registration district: Brackley
Sub-registration district: Brackley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
William Rutland 41 .. A. Lab
Hannah Rutland 57
Thomas Rutland 14
William Rutland 12 .. A. Lab
George Rutland 11 .. A. Lab
Elizabeth Rutland 2 ..? 9yrs
James Rutland 5
Charles Rutland 7mths

1841 England Census about Thomas Rutland
Name: Thomas Rutland
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: St Lawrence Marston
Hundred: Kings Sutton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation: -

Registration district: Brackley
Sub-registration district: Sulgrave
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Rutland 30 .. Ag. Lab.
Hannah Rutland 25
John Rutland 7
Thomas Rutland 4
William Rutland 2
George Rutland 1

1861 England Census about Thomas Rutland
Name: Thomas Rutland
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Marston, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation: Cheesemonger, Shopman

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 184
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Rutland 24
Lucy Rutland 22 .. b. Witham, Essex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Thomas Rutland
Name: Thomas Rutland
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Newington
County: Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 215
... Lucy Green

1881 England Census about Ernest W. Rutland
Name: Ernest W. Rutland
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas W.
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 101 Notting Hill (High St)
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 15d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W. Rutland 44 .. Cheesemonger
Lucy Rutland 42
Thomas Rutland 19
Ernest W. Rutland 11
Ethel M. Rutland 4
Frank A. Rutland 2
Jane Burrows 48

1871 England Census about Ernest Rutland
Name: Ernest Rutland
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: S W ....T.W. on original
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Household schedule number: 165
Household Members: Name Age
S W Rutland 34 .. Cheesemonger .. b. Marston, Northamptonshire
Lucy Rutland 32 .. b. Wetham, Essex
Thomas Rutland 9 .. b. Newington, Surrey
Ernest Rutland 1
Emily MacDowell 19 .. Friend .. Dress maker
... @ 101 High Street

1861 England Census about Charlotte Garnsey
Name: Charlotte Garnsey
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Wellington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Wellington
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
Town: Wellington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: Bowermans Lane
Occupation: Servant

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Garnsey 52 .. widow .. House keeper
Mary A Garnsey 29 .. Servant
Elizabeth Garnsey 25 .. Servant
Sarah Garnsey 22 .. Servant
Charlotte Garnsey 20
Mary A Proctor 2
Ester Holman 52 .. Visitor .. House keeper

1881 England Census about Anne Hawkings
Name: Anne Hawkings
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Wornington Rd
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 43d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawkins 39 .. b. Wellington, Somerset
Charlotte Hawkins 40 .. b. Wellington, Somerset
William Hawkings 15 .. Milk Carrier .. b. Kensington
Charlie S. Hawkings 13 .. Carpenter
Ernest Hawkings 12
Anne Hawkings 10
Walter Hawkings 8
John Hawkings 7
Samuel Hawkings 5
Charlotte Hawkings 2

1871 England Census about Annie Eliza Hawkins
Name: Annie Eliza Hawkins
Age: 6 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawkins 29 .. Carpenter
Charlotte Hawkins 30
William Henry Hawkins 5
Charles Sparpson Hawkins 3
Ernest Arthur Hawkins 2
Annie Eliza Hawkins 6 months
.. @ 58 Bell Street

1861 England Census about John Hawkings
Name: John Hawkings
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wellington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Wellington
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation: Carpenter (App).. apprentice

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hawkings 51 .. widow .. Dress maker
Elizabeth Hawkings 24 .. Wool Sorter
Mary H Hawkings 10 .. scholar
Harriet Hawkings 8 .. scholar
John Hawkings 19
Henry Hawkings 16 .. Cabinet Maker (App)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about John Hawkings
Name: John Hawkings
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 96
..... Charlotte Garnsey

This is the same census as the one for Harold but with his mothers info...

1901 England Census about Annie E Rutland
Name: Annie E Rutland
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Ernest W
Gender: Female
Where born: Kennington, Hertfordshire, England ..Kennington, London on Original

1891 England Census about Annie E Hawkings
Name: Annie E Hawkings
Age: 25 .......................................................20 on original
Estimated birth year: abt 1866 ...............1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 54 Wo*?*ington Rd
Occupation: teacher, school

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawkings 49 .. Carpenter
Charlotte Hawkings 55
Annie E Hawkings 25
Walton Hawkings 18 .. Student of Engineering
John Hawkings 17 .. Plumber
Samuel J Hawkings 15 .. Apprentice Carpenter
Charlotte E Hawkings 12 scholar

Ernest & Annie's marriage certificate should tell you their fathers names & occupations.



This is the same census as the one for Harold but with his fathers info...

1901 England Census about Ernest W Rutland
Name: Ernest W Rutland
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie E
Gender: Male
Where born: Hammersmith, Hertfordshire, England .. Hammersmith, London on Original

1891 England Census about Ernest W Rutland
Name: Ernest W Rutland
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas W
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: H Sunth, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St George Campden Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 101 High Street
Occupation: Cheesemonger's assistant

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W Rutland 54 .. Cheesemonger
Lucy Rutland 52
Ernest W Rutland 21
Ethel M Rutland 14
Annie Campbell 15 .. Domestic Servant

Thanks so much for your help will let you know how I get on :-)

Harolds parents marriage...

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Ernest William Rutland
Name: Ernest William Rutland
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Paddington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 121
...... Annie Eliza Hawkings

Have sent you a pm with marriages for both Brian & Alan .
Also possible children.

Try 192.com the electoral roll site.

You may be able to find either Brian or Alan.

Is there a marriage listed for Brian E Rutland?

Sounds like it's the right track. Thanks :-)

"census information" will give you Harolds ancestors.

If you are looking for living decendents you need to find out who Brian & Alan married and then find their children

Only Brian came up with a Rutland - Palmer search.

Brian E Rutland Apr May Jun 193* Brentford

Will have a look for Alan ??

EDIT **

Alan F Rutland Apr May Jun 194* Surrey N E

Thanks for your help not sure what the next step is I'm fairly new to all this. Should I look up census information next?

Mother is listed as "Annie E." on the census record so could be Annie Eliza...??

Well I think so but interestingly I have his mother listed as Eliza Hawkings but I have got x 3 children listed as Harold Ethel & Winifred so looks like it must be the same family.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Harold E Rutland
Name: Harold E Rutland
Spouse Surname: Palmer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Lilian W B
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1926
Registration district: Chelsea
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1030