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Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 12:35

I am trying to trace descendants of Harold Rutland 1898 can anyone help?

Cassidy

Cassidy Report 18 Dec 2009 12:54

Do you mean..Harold Ernest Rutland birth 1897..registered,Middlesex ?

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 12:59

Could be his father's name was Ernest, had a sister Ethel.

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:03

Is this who we are looking for...? ?

1901 England Census about Harold E Rutland
Name: Harold E Rutland
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ernest W
Mother's Name: Annie E
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensal Rise, Hertfordshire, England << London on original.

Civil parish: Watford
Ecclesiastical parish: Watford St Mary
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 85 St. James Rd.
Occupation:

Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members: Name Age
Ernest W Rutland 31 .. Egg Salesman
Annie E Rutland 30
Harold E Rutland 3
Ethel L Rutland 2
Winfred D Rutland 5 months

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 13:03

I think there are two sons from Harold's marriage Alan & Brian Rutland. Don't know the wife's name.

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:04

1911...

INSTITUTION RUTLAND HAROLD ERNEST M 1898 13 Hendon Middlesex

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:06

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Harold E Rutland
Name: Harold E Rutland
Spouse Surname: Palmer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Lilian W B
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1926
Registration district: Chelsea
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1030

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 13:06

Well I think so but interestingly I have his mother listed as Eliza Hawkings but I have got x 3 children listed as Harold Ethel & Winifred so looks like it must be the same family.

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:09

Mother is listed as "Annie E." on the census record so could be Annie Eliza...??

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 13:11

Thanks for your help not sure what the next step is I'm fairly new to all this. Should I look up census information next?

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:12

Only Brian came up with a Rutland - Palmer search.

Brian E Rutland Apr May Jun 193* Brentford

Will have a look for Alan ??

EDIT **

Alan F Rutland Apr May Jun 194* Surrey N E

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:15

"census information" will give you Harolds ancestors.

If you are looking for living decendents you need to find out who Brian & Alan married and then find their children

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 13:16

Sounds like it's the right track. Thanks :-)

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 13:17

Is there a marriage listed for Brian E Rutland?

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:30

Have sent you a pm with marriages for both Brian & Alan .
Also possible children.

Try 192.com the electoral roll site.

You may be able to find either Brian or Alan.

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:36

Harolds parents marriage...

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Ernest William Rutland
Name: Ernest William Rutland
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Paddington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 121
...... Annie Eliza Hawkings

Maresah

Maresah Report 18 Dec 2009 13:36

Thanks so much for your help will let you know how I get on :-)

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:46

Ernest & Annie's marriage certificate should tell you their fathers names & occupations.



This is the same census as the one for Harold but with his fathers info...

1901 England Census about Ernest W Rutland
Name: Ernest W Rutland
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie E
Gender: Male
Where born: Hammersmith, Hertfordshire, England .. Hammersmith, London on Original

1891 England Census about Ernest W Rutland
Name: Ernest W Rutland
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas W
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: H Sunth, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St George Campden Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 101 High Street
Occupation: Cheesemonger's assistant

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W Rutland 54 .. Cheesemonger
Lucy Rutland 52
Ernest W Rutland 21
Ethel M Rutland 14
Annie Campbell 15 .. Domestic Servant

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 13:55

This is the same census as the one for Harold but with his mothers info...

1901 England Census about Annie E Rutland
Name: Annie E Rutland
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Ernest W
Gender: Female
Where born: Kennington, Hertfordshire, England ..Kennington, London on Original

1891 England Census about Annie E Hawkings
Name: Annie E Hawkings
Age: 25 .......................................................20 on original
Estimated birth year: abt 1866 ...............1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 54 Wo*?*ington Rd
Occupation: teacher, school

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawkings 49 .. Carpenter
Charlotte Hawkings 55
Annie E Hawkings 25
Walton Hawkings 18 .. Student of Engineering
John Hawkings 17 .. Plumber
Samuel J Hawkings 15 .. Apprentice Carpenter
Charlotte E Hawkings 12 scholar

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 18 Dec 2009 14:13

1881 England Census about Anne Hawkings
Name: Anne Hawkings
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Wornington Rd
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 43d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawkins 39 .. b. Wellington, Somerset
Charlotte Hawkins 40 .. b. Wellington, Somerset
William Hawkings 15 .. Milk Carrier .. b. Kensington
Charlie S. Hawkings 13 .. Carpenter
Ernest Hawkings 12
Anne Hawkings 10
Walter Hawkings 8
John Hawkings 7
Samuel Hawkings 5
Charlotte Hawkings 2

1871 England Census about Annie Eliza Hawkins
Name: Annie Eliza Hawkins
Age: 6 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Hawkins 29 .. Carpenter
Charlotte Hawkins 30
William Henry Hawkins 5
Charles Sparpson Hawkins 3
Ernest Arthur Hawkins 2
Annie Eliza Hawkins 6 months
.. @ 58 Bell Street

1861 England Census about John Hawkings
Name: John Hawkings
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wellington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Wellington
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation: Carpenter (App).. apprentice

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hawkings 51 .. widow .. Dress maker
Elizabeth Hawkings 24 .. Wool Sorter
Mary H Hawkings 10 .. scholar
Harriet Hawkings 8 .. scholar
John Hawkings 19
Henry Hawkings 16 .. Cabinet Maker (App)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about John Hawkings
Name: John Hawkings
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 96
..... Charlotte Garnsey