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Chrystine

Chrystine Report 3 Jan 2010 11:15

Hi Jenny, thanks for your very kind offer, as you have proberly gathered my Great grandmother Hannah White married William Glover in Tynemouth in 1875 in the parish church, the date if it will help was 7 January 1875. The only Hannah i have been able to find who fits the bill is the daughter of Bransby White born 2 November 1850 in Whitby Yorks but her father is given as a Francis on her marriage cert. I have found a Francis White but not in Whitby and without a daughter Hannah, so I need to try and establish for sure who the right father is. Its possible that she was misheard being a Yorkshire girl in Northumberland, although the PRs may also have the same name as father as on cert its the only chance I will have of finding out. I would be so grateful for your help regards Chrys.

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 29 Nov 2009 11:38

Hi mgnv, I will try that, many thanks Chrys.

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Nov 2009 10:26

If they got marr by banns, you might ask Morpeth if they have the banns book for Tynemouth - I don't recall ever seeing Superintendent's licences archived for anyplace. There's no LDS film of either. This, at least, would be an independent record.

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 29 Nov 2009 09:38

Hi mgnv, Looks like Im stumped then, perhaps the most likely thing is that the vicar misheard due to a Yorkshire accent, I think i will still try to look at record, in case its been misread as well, when being copied I mean, since this must have been done by hand. regards Chrys.

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Nov 2009 03:48

Well, maybe - but it's not like it's an independent record, such as a non-conformist or RC register pre-1898. Since it's a CofE marr, what's supposed to happen is the vicar or whoever records the marr in the parish register, then sends a copy of the entry to Tynemouth rego office, who in turn send a copy of their entry to the GRO at the end of the quarter. When the register is full, the vicar sends it to Tynemouth, who then forward it to Morpeth records office for permament archiving.

Non-conformist and RCs weren't trusted to keep registers pre-1898, so, although they might make a record of the religious ceremony in their register, the official record is the one the attending registrar made and which the newly weds signed, which would go back to Tynemouth, with a copy made for the GRO.

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 23:01

Hi mgnv, many thanks, I think that will be be best bet, at least I should get the right father, regards Chrys.

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 22:59

hi again Barbara, sorry you gave the correct name for the son born in Aldershot, Im obviously getting tired, and put John. regards Chrys.

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 22:53

Hi Barbara, I have both of those, Its so likely that I have the right people, Im just so frustrated with this marriage cert. thanks for all your help, regards Chrys.

Barbara

Barbara Report 28 Nov 2009 22:43

1881
Bransby has remarried
Name: Bransby White
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Scarboro, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Whitby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Church Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bricklayer

Registration district: Whitby
Sub-registration district: Whitby
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bransby White 64
Mary White 55
James Salton White 23
Isaac White 21


Barbara

Barbara Report 28 Nov 2009 22:41

1871
The only Hannah White on the whole census born in Whitby 1850 +or- 5 years
Name: Hannah White
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Brawsby
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Whitby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Whitby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Whitby
Sub-registration district: Whitby
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Brawsby White 54 Bricklayer
Thomas White 20
Robert White 14
James T White 12
Isaac P White 10
Hannah White 18


mgnv

mgnv Report 28 Nov 2009 22:38

To respond to your initial query, one can access the records at Morpeth, or, if that's not too accessible, by renting a film to view at a nearby LDS FHC - you can find these via the centre column at:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
Their Librarary catalog gives:

Title Parish registers of Christ Church (Tynemouth, Northumberland), 1607-1941
Authors Church of England. Christ Church (Tynemouth, Northumberland) (Main Author)
Notes Microreproduction of originals at Morpeth Record Office, Northumberland.
Morpeth Record Office No.: EP 52/23-29, 74-84

Note Location Film
...
Marriages, 1865-1881 FHL BRITISH Film 1068933
...etc

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 22:27

Hi Barbara This is the right family, my granma was born Sept 1881 so not on the census, but if you notice the son John is born about a year after the marriage in 1875 ,and in Aldershot, I presume at this time William was still in the army, perhaps this is why Hannah married in Tynemouth rather then in Yorkshire. Her fathers profession was given as Mason, so I thought bricks!. I dont think its likely that the parish records of thier marriage would give fathers names but cant think how else I can find out for sure what Hannahs fathers name was, thanks for your help regards Chrys.

Barbara

Barbara Report 28 Nov 2009 22:26

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Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Glover William George Farnham 2a 91
Reg Area for Aldershot

Barbara

Barbara Report 28 Nov 2009 22:13

The family in 1881
Name: Anna Glover
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 63 Ellerby Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Glover 38 born Leeds
Anna Glover 32 born Whitby
William G. Glover 5 born Aldershot Surrey
Ethel Glover 2 Born Leeds


Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 22:07

Hi Freewheel, thanks so much for your help, Hannahs fathers occupation says Mason, and I thought Bricks( one census i believe says he is a Brickayer Forman,) There is only one witness, a Emily Waggner, the other just isnt there only half of what looks like the first letter,so not much help. I just dont know how else I can determine what her fathers actual name was, dont want to run away with the wrong ones. I have sent messages to everyone on genes that have Bransby on thier trees but up to now no one has a marriage for Hannah. regards Chrys.

Freewheel

Freewheel Report 28 Nov 2009 21:55

Right, I've had a look at 1881 - certainly seems that it could be the same 'girl'

One possibility is that the registrar/vicar misheard the father's name - Yorkshire accents would sound strange to a Tynesider - and Bransby isn't so far removed from Francis when 'heard' .

Bear in mind that they probably couldn't read or write, so wouldn't know if the name was wrong on the marriage cert.

Who were the witnesses?

What about the father's occupation? Does that tally?

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 21:52

Hi Barbara, yes you are right, they are all in Yorkshire, I have the marriage Cert, for Hannah White and William Glover, its just I cant find her as a White after 1871, but dont know why her father is a Francis White as I have looked and looked but cant find one with a Hannah as daughter anywhere. regards Chrys.

Chrystine

Chrystine Report 28 Nov 2009 21:45

Hi Freewheel, heres what I have, birth cert my granma Emily Glover born Sept 1881 Leeds address on cert 63 Ellesby lane, 1881 census William Glover and Anna Glover same address. It says Anna but Im sure it should say Hannah as on cert. William gives place of birth as Leeds, Hannah as Whitby. Marriage Cert only one I have been able to find for a Glover and a White Parish Church of Tynemouth Northumbaland, I know Hannah is still with her father in 1871 but cannot find her as a White after that date, I thought It may have been she moved away to work, or had something to do with william being in army, marriage cert says HM 105 Regiment. Her age is given as 25 which would be right for Hannah born Whitby to Bransby and Hannah White 1850 Whitby. regards Chrys.

Freewheel

Freewheel Report 28 Nov 2009 21:29

1881 for Bransby etc

Name: Isaac White
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Bransby
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Whitby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Church Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ship Wright

Registration district: Whitby
Sub-registration district: Whitby
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bransby White 64
Mary White 55
James Salton White 23
Isaac White 21

Freewheel

Freewheel Report 28 Nov 2009 21:28

Please will you give us the details of 1881 census for William and Hannah