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Thank you for that Derek. Fancy you having Ringroses too. Unusual name.

Mandy

Hi Derek,
Thank you so much for looking. I had not seen the marriages that you mentioned. I do have the christenings for John, Sampson, Anne and Amos the details vary slightly I have Anne baptised at St Werbergh's. I have noticed that John with his 11 children in London varied where he baptised his children too conformist to non conformist.
Thank you so much for your continued assistance.
Much appreciated
Liz

Hello again Mandy..it would be interesting to know if you have any other Ringroses in your tree..and any connection with either Gaunts or Cutsforths......early 1800's............

Derek.

Hi Derek,

It's been a few weeks since I last spoke to you. I think you had a lot information of the Marsh family of Langwith and Scarcliff that you were going to impart.

I have some success in tracing back the ancestor's of Sarah Gervais (Jarvis) to the Revells in 1700-1720 Langwith and Margaret Boler of Chesterfied born around 1694 - 1698 whos father was a Godfridi Boler.

Did you manage to confirm any further details of Jonathan Marsh ie you said he was from Clowne but then added later that he was from Belper born around 1735 but to be confirmed. Have you found any more details and do you thinks it possible to go further or is that dead end with the Marsh family
Regards
Mark

Hi Derek

I am seeking info on the following:

William?? Pope dob unknown and Susan unknown b.1784c. in Ticknall, Derbyshire

children

William Pope b.1818c. Normanton, Derbyshire
Sarah Pope b.1820c. Hartshorne, Derbyshire
Rebecca Pope b. 1822c. Normanton, Derbyshire
Thomas Pope b.1830c. Normanton, Derbyshire

If you could assist with any of the above would be grateful.

Many thanks

Carol

Hello Carol.......I can confirm the baptism of William Pope 07.06.1818 son of William and Susanna at Ticknall.
I can't find there marrioage as yet becasue there are so many William Pope's..and I'm sure he didn't come from Derbyshire...will get back to you.

Derek

thanks Derek - great to see Williams baptism - hopefully you can dig something else out.

many thanks

Caroll

Hi Derek, would you have any infomation on Thomas Newton born 10th jan 1661, derbyshire don't know where or who his parents were, which is what I'd like to find if possible. He lost all his money in the south sea bubble and went to Boston in 1688. He had trained as a lawyer in england and was one of the first legally trained lawyers in Massachusetts. thankyou cathleen.

havent come across the Gaunts or Cutsforths s yet, but will let you know if i do
mandy

Nudge for Rose

Hi Derek its Rose again
We found Elias Morton (b.1802 d. 1884) buried in Edensor with wife Fanny and a couple of children. Is there any way you can try to find out his parents names?? I found an Elias MORTIN on FamilySearch with parents Edward and Sarah( is there any way i can find out if this is correct and find out about Edward? We also a edward and Sarah MORTIN buried in Edensor although the dates don't match up!
Thanks Rose

Hello again Rose........I have the Edensor Parish Records, and the marriage of Elias Morton to Fanny King 10.10.1842.and her burial 27.01.1880..he was buried 14.06.1884......
The two children you refer to are GEORGE HENRY died 1853 and HANNAH LOUISE died 1871..........I found a total of nine children.

Interestingly the edensore Records are full of MORTINS....including the baptisem of ELIAS MORTIN son of Edward and Sarah..03.10.1802....and FIVE other children including Benjamin who doed as an infant....so who were Edward and Sarah??????

This is where it gets confusing and leads back to the Hayfield Glossop and Chapel en le frith area........

The only marriage i can find is as follows Edward morton to Sarah Pott(s) of Taxal Cheshire....just over the border from hayfield etc....21.09.1779 (Edward is described as "from Chapel-en-le Frith."

I am aware of a wide gap between 1779 and 24.02.1788 when Mary son of Edwrd and sarah was baptised at Edensor........followed by Elizabeth 25.12.1791..Martha 03.08.1794..Benjamin 12.03.1797...Hannah 02.03.1800 and ELIAS 03.10.1802...these are all MORTINS..except that Elias is a MORTON on his marriage..and appears as a Morton on all successi9ve Censuses till his death..........14.06.188.

So is the same Edward and Sarah???and what were they doing between 1779 and 1788 that deferred the child-rearing for so long?????

Incidentally the burial of Sarah at Ednsor 20.07.1814 aged 58 i.e. born c.1756..could fit..

the burial of Edward 17.03.1840 aged 83 could also fit..with a bit of flexibility!!

I'll look for an Edward born Chapel c.1757....you see..they were both born at about the same time!!

More later

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Any further infromation about the Marsh family of Scarcliff / Langwith come to lijght, especially Jonathan Marsh born c1735-1745?

I have been checking public member trees on ancestry and quite a number believe he originated in Ireland - whereas you believed he was from Clowne or Belper (my gut feeling is from Derbyshire).

Many have given him a date of death of 4th May 1781 in Bolsover.

Would you be able able yo investigate and comfirm or disapprove any of the above?

Cheers
Mark

Hi Mark..sorry for the delay..I have a very sick dog and my mind has been elsewhere.....I do have all the Scarcliffe Records..but for Clowne or Bolsover I have to go to Matlock..soon..I promise.

Derek.

Hi Derek
Yes i think you are on the right track as we have found all of this info someone kindly sent me the children of Edward and Sarah and there is one more before Mary b.1788, which is John Mortin b.1875 christened 25th sept that year. We have found that the records have made mistakes often as we have MORTONS, MORTENS and MORTINS. i had a look at the inscriptions in Edensor cemetary and found
HERE
lieth the body of
THOMAS Son of
EDWARD and SARAH MORTIN
who departed this life
Novr 7th 1812 Aged 34 Years.
Alfo the aforesaid
SARAH MORTIN;
who died July 18th, 1814
Aged 58 Years.
Alfo the aforesaid
EDWARD MORTIN; who
departed this life March 14th,
1840 Aged 84 Years.
But there is no Thomas found in the baptisms and Edward is 20 years younger than Sarah!!!

Someone has been in touch with me about Edward Morton b.abt 1842, we know that he married an Ann in hayfield in 1868 and had children Isaac, George, Charles and James. Is there any way you can find out Ann's maiden name or will i have to purchase the marriage certificate? we have come up with PLANT and NIELD but don't know which is our Edward!
Sorry about this, i keep getting somewhere and then someone confuses me and i have to go back over everyone ha.
Thanks for all your help
Rose

Hi Derek
I would be grateful for any information you can find on Mary Tomlinson born 1815 Brassington. She married John Gould in 1850, but that's all I know about her. Thanks for any help you can give me
Molly

Hello Molly....MARY TOMLINSON was christened 19.02.1815.at Brassington..daughter of Benjamin and Hannah married 09.06.1800

Benjamin was born 09.08.1778 and died 16.03.1857

Benjamin Tomlinson was the son of Benjamin and Mary.

all happening at Brassington..but i need the parish records to go any further..but i do have all the Census details of her life and children with John Gould...

all the best

Derek.

Thanks Derek
That's great as usual, I'll work on this for now but I'll be back. Hope your dog is ok now?
Thanks
Molly

Hello Rose.......EDWARD MORTON 1841 (born New MIlls!!!) married ANN NIELD (from Ireland) 1868...........I don't think he is the same Edward born 1842 Edensor..............

Since the name MORTIN occurs in Edensor Parish Records..until Isaac Morton's marriage..........and your MI is a MORTIN..(very unusual for stone to be carved with wrong name.....and since Isaac Mortin becomes issac Morton on Marriage....I'm suggesting that MORTIN is right..and maybe became Morton later...........

Either way.the Edward Morton married Ann at new Mills..was born Mew Mills.
..and there are plenty of MORTINS at New Mills
Derek

Hi Derek
Yes we have since found Edward from Edensor living and died in London. Sorry about that. We have found another that could be him with mother Esther MORTIN and an Isaac Barraclough living in New Mills in 1851.........we went back to 1841 and found Esther living on her own at 19 maybe pregnant with Edward. Is there any way we can confirm which Edward is ours then we can get his birth cert and confirm his parents names?? We found Edward married Janetta Nield is this the same as she could have shortened her name to Ann??
Thanks once again for your help
Rose