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This is that birth so it appears to be Mary, the daughter's child.



ELIZABETH HOWAT Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
23 MAY 1870 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN HOWAT Family
Mother: MARY MCINTOSH


she also had a twin? sister who possibly died?

AGNES HOWAT Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
23 MAY 1870 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN HOWAT Family
Mother: MARY MCINTOSH

New message to Vivienne jThankyou very much l was told John McIntosh senior deserted his wife and family and went to Canada
a terrible thing to do in those days to abandon your wife and family.Looks like it was true.John McIntosh my G grandfather left Dumfries in a hurry and was supposed to have got some girl pregnant l wonder if the grand daughter Elizabeth Howat aged 10 months on the 1871 census is that child.l don't suppose l will ever know for sure. Thanks againn
From Susan


An easy way to find out on SP..


1870 HOWAT ELIZABETH F DUMFRIES /DUMFRIES 821/00 0229 VIEW (5 CREDITS)

I dont see John or Agnes in 1841 ,so I give up.

viv

You did the hard work Viv, finding them in the first place so well done to you.

Going a bit further back, another submitted record for Agnes' possible birth.

AGNES MILLER Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
10 SEP 1825
Christening:
25 SEP 1825 Kirkgunzeon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES MILLER Family
Mother: MARY EDGAR

Liz

Good on ya getting that 1871 for Agnes,I couldnt see it with my eyes shut:)

William. Another submitted entry. Nothing so far for Jemima or John., Viv.

WILLIAM MC INTOSH Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
05 MAY 1854 Clarencefield, Ruthwell, Dumfries, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN MC INTOSH Family
Mother: AGNESS MILLER

1871 Scotland Census
about Agnes McIntosh
Name: Agnes McIntosh
[Agnes Millas]
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkgunzeon, Kirkcudbright
Registration Number: 821/1
Registration district: Dumfries Burgh
Civil parish: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: 109 High Street Close
Occupation: Formerly Serv
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_183
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes McIntosh 45
Jamima McIntosh 24 b Ruthwell, servant
Mary McIntosh 22 b Dumfries, dressmaker
William McIntosh 16 b Dumfries, draper
Elizabeth Howat 10 Mo b Dumfries, granddaughter
Mary Millas 80 mother, b Kirkgunzeon
George Ferguson 18 lodger

Shoot me Alviegal, I NEVER think to look on Family search.

So my marriage from SP will now get deleted,had to be a Miller really going on brother in law on 1851.
Any sign of Jemimas baptism?
viv

Marriage for parents? This is submitted.

JOHN M'INTOSH Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: AGNES MILLAR Family
Marriage:
31 MAY 1845 Ruthwell, Dumfries, Scotland

Children for 1851 census.


MARY MCINTOSH Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
18 MAR 1849 Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN MCINTOSH Family
Mother: AGNES MILLER


HELEN MCINTOSH Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
14 MAR 1847 Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN MCINTOSH Family
Mother: AGNES MILLAR

GOT THEM....
That is him in 1861...

1851 Scotland Census
about John MacIntosh
Name: John MacIntosh
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Agness
Gender: Male
Where born: Ruthwell, Dumfriesshire
Parish Number: 882
Civil parish: Troqueer
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: 51 Colledge Street
Occupation: Corn Miller <<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 24
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 35
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_214
Household Members: Name Age
John MacIntosh 25
Agness MacIntosh 23<<<<<<<<<<<<born Kirkgunzeon, Kirkcudbright
Jemima MacIntosh 5 <<<<<
Hellen MacIntosh 4
Mary MacIntosh 2
John Millar 15 <<brother in law
John McCall 12 <<cousin

1911 down as John Macintosh Flour miller.
Sarah wife if 34 years.
Mary Ellen born 1890 living at 58,Sycamore st mile's Platting.Newton Heath,North Manchester.

Maryb

His first child was called Agnes as per the 1881 census .
And this is the only one I can find in Dumfries that may be him,more searching to do though.

1861 Scotland Census
about John MacIntosh
Name: John MacIntosh
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfs, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 846
Registration district: Ruthwell
Civil parish: Ruthwell
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ruthwell Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 8
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_145
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes MacIntosh 34 Mar Lab Pauper Disertia By Husband/born Kirkendrust, Kergunzson
Mary MacIntosh 11
John MacIntosh 9
William MacIntosh 6

So we have another spelling of the surname!
Other than the various on census 1881 /91 and 1901..

Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
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Mackintosh John W. Derby 8b 523

On the marriage certificate it says father John McIntosh deceased. His occupation was also a miller.

Ok I have him now..

Name: John MacIntosh
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

John MacIntosh 28
Sarah MacIntosh 23
Agnes MacIntosh 1






Does it give his fathers occupation on his marriage cert please?

He was married in Everton in 1877 to a Sarah Jones I have found him on the 1881 census living in Kirkdale Lancashire.He also appears on the 1901 census living at Pratley street Manchester.l have a death certificate he died in 1915 aged 62 years still living in Manchester occupation corn miller.

I am sorry Susan but without a little more info,
like who he married,
when,
his fathers occupation etc
I cant even find him on english census to get a grip on him to try and help,there are just so many to choose from.
viv

Message from Susan.

New message to Vivienne j No Vivienne he was mrried in England at st Georges Everton.

From Susan

Susan.
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What was his fathers occupation on the marriage cert please?
And when did the marriage take place?

Have you found him on any census /if so which one /
viv

Was he married in Scotland?
If so when please.
Marriage certs normally have both parents names on in Scotland.
viv