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Hi Glittler Baby,

Thanks very much for getting back to me about Lydia and Ellen it is much appreciated...... :0)

1851 this is worth a look

Name: Ellen Tims
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackfield, Surrey, England - Blackfriars

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Mason 36 - widow - Colchester, lab bricklayers
Ellen Tims 19
Sarah Maron 13 - Bermondsey
Mary A Maron 9 - Bermondsey
Elizabeth Maron 5 - Bermondsey
William White 22

Class: HO107; Piece: 1561; Folio: 178; Page: 11; GSU roll: 174794.



Ellen is a glove maker





Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Mason Lydia Bermondsey 4 92





1841
Name: Lydia Mason
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Mason 25
Lydia Mason 23
Ellen Mason 10
Eliza Mason 5
Sarah Mason 3

Class: HO107; Piece 1049; Book: 3; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 16; Page: 25; Line: 14; GSU roll: 474650

Oh glad I could help.

I can't find them on any census though which is so frustrating!!

Must do dinner now

Mel, bless you ....that is brilliant thank you soooooooo much. you have made my day....

This is better

JAMES TIMMS Pedigree
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: LYDIA ANN HAMMOND Family
Marriage: 20 JUL 1829 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England


Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

Thank you to every one that has taken the time to look for me. Sorry for being a pain, I did believe that Ellens Father was John so surprised to find out he was James. Thanks every one xx

Giving up for the time being as Ancestry is playing up and keep losing info on its home page

Name: Ellen Timms
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 18 Jul 1830
Father's Name: James Timms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gentle's mans Servant
Mother's Name: Lydia Ann Timms
Parish: Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex



Name: Ellen Timms ( Her Mark )>>>>>>>>>>>4 Meridian Place
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Spouse Name: George Edward Bottomley >>>>Labourer, 5 Meridian Place
Spouse Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 May 1863
Parish: Saint Philip, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Timms >>>>>>>>>>Gentlemans servant
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Bottomley >>>>Shipwright
Witness' : John Bottomley and Jane hanson ( her mark )
Cassy

Yes,

I have the marriage so I will post it but to be honest, not feeling too well, I do not feel inclined to 'chase' this one around just for 'the heck of it' ! - sorry!

Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)
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BOTTOMLEY George Edward Bethnal Gn 1c 685
MOORE Ann Bethnal Gn 1c 685
MORGAN Frederick Bethnal Gn 1c 685
TIMMS Ellen Bethnal Gn 1c 685

If you can post everything you know, I will take a further look.

Dea x

1863 to george edward bottomley

With an occupation of gentlemans servant he could be anywhere in the country

So..........

who, when and where did she marry?

We need to get her on a census somewhere.

Dea x

Sorry for the delay in info.Ellen was my 3xgrandmother it was on her MC and her dad was a gentlemans servant

Where and when do you have John as a "Gentleman's servant" ?

It really does help if you give ALL the info you have 'up front' please.

Dea x

just checked on John he was a gentlemans servant

How do you know they had a daughter Ellen who was a glove maker.

What census do you have her on?

Dea x

It would be nice if it was them but sorry I do not know what Lydia's maiden name was!!!!

Strange becuase I was looking at this one in 1841

Name: Lydia Timms
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: St John
Hundred: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John and St Michael
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lydia Timms 45

possibly a girl called Ellen! glove maker

Any children?

Occupation?