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Trying to trace grandfather James Mc Caig,born 1878c. Wife Rose Margaret Mc Millen, Rose born in England of Irish parents. Settled in N. Ireland. james left Rose with seven children and I believe lived the rest of his life out in Manchester or Liverpool & remarried.

Did James and Rose divorce? Have you found either of them on either the 1911 census for England or Ireland?

When do you think James came to England/

Unsure if there was a divorce! One would assume so, but no details.
Yes have found Rose & family living with her parents with 4 children. Address Garfield Place Ballymena Co. Antrim N. Ireland. 1911 census
N.Ireland.

If James wasn't wityh Rose in 1911, then there is one about the correct age on the 1911 cnsus living in West Derby. If you also look on FreeBMD there are a few possible marriages in the Liverpool area for James McCaig. I don't see a divorce on the National Archives site for him but then he may have divorced in Ireland. Then again, he may not have remarried until after Rose's death but just lived with someone who was known as Mrs. McCaig - not uncommon in the early 1900s as divorce was more difficult and expensive than nowadays.

Trying to chase a marriage down 1904 Liverpool.
Other info I have is that their first two children were born in England.
David In 1901 & Samuel in 1905.
Thank you very much for all your information,please keep in touch, all suggestion very helpful, new to all of this.

Could this be Samuel's birth?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
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McCaig Samuel W. Derby 8b 438


And here's the marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
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McCAIG James Liverpool 8b 20
McMILLIN Rose Margaret Liverpool 8b 20



I don't see a birth for David either as McCaig or McMillen/McMillin/McMillan

I wonder if this could be David?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
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McCai_ David Boal W.Derby 8b 447

Hi, this is all great information and looks as though I might be able to track James down when I get a look at the marriage certificate.
Oh by the way, James also had a nickname, ( Skipper ), presumably he may have worked on the boats around Liverpool area. Do you know of a way that I could research to possibly find a listing of places where he may have been employed? Thanks again very much.

I can't see a possible for James on the 1901 census but perhaps he was at sea.

There is this possible for Rose - does the age fit with what you have from the 1911 Irish census?

Name: Rose Mc Mullen
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: North Shore St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
John Towers 36
Annie Towers 36
Edith Towers 8
Alex Towers 6
John Arthur Towers 4
George Towers 2
Frederick Towers 5 months
Rose Mc Mullen 21 Kitchen Maid Dom.

Hello again, I don't think this fits, in 1911 census Rose was 33yrs old which gives her a D.O.B. of 1878.
I think I see Rose living with her parents in Westbourne St Everton West Derby. Lancs, in 1891 at age 13yrs, although the search records show 18 yrs I think this is an error, What do you think, I'd value your comments very much.
Thanks once more.

I have had a look at that 1891 census and yes that does look like your Rose. Have you found her in 1901 yet? That one that I posted earlier seems the only likely one on Ancestry. Given that David's birth was registered in the Sep. qtr., it seems likely that she would have been in the area at the time of the census (the night of the 31st March). Then again maybe she was in Ireland and came back to Liverpool for the birth.

EDIT

Sorry David was born in 1900 - oh! I do need to waken up!!

Well her parents were still in Liverpool. And she is with them and so is James but the name is McKay and it looks like McKay on the image.

1901

Name: Thomas McMillan
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann J
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas McMillan 63
Ann J McMillan 59
James McKay 29 Son-in-law, Dock Labourer born in Ireland
Maggie McKay 23 Daughter
David B McKay 8 months Grandson

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3474; Folio: 114; Page: 8.

I wonder if this is him in 1891 as a Cattle salesman/?

Name: James McKay
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Parry 65
Thomas Parry 45
Ann Amsbury 22
Mary E Hughes 18
John Dobbin 45
George Wilbraham 20
Henry Speric 23
James McKay 20

Hi again, sorry I haven't replied earlier, I'm trying to obtain documents to confirm James & Rose's marriage. It all looks good at this stage, thanks very much for your help, I couldn't have gotten so far without you. I will let you know in due course if I get it all confirmed. Thanks once again.

Yes please keep posting here as you get more information from the certificates you order - we may track him down yet.

Hello my Friend, I've just received the marriage register of James & Rose. Some interesting information, James was a widower & listed mariner as an occupation. He was 32 years old at marriage date of 26/01/1904which confirms his birthdate of 1872. Rose was 26yrs old & also confirms her birthdate.
James's father was also called James and his occupation is listed as a farmer.
This looks to me like 99% that this is my grandfather, do you agree?. I'm trying to check up on David to see if I can confirm his details, I've found an entry for David Boal Mc Caig, West Derby. 8b 447July aug Sept 1990, looks like David I think. I'll probably have to get certificate to confirm.
All this has now raised another issue, Did James have any children to his first wife, plus I believe he re-married after Rose died.
Talk again soon. Thanking you once again for your kind support.

Hi again, sorry of course David's birth date is 1900 and not 1990 as I previously listed. opps.

Hi Pollock

This is all looking quite exciting! As soon as I get a chance I'll have a look for an earlier marriage for James - although he may have married in Ireland first time. It may be worth looking on the record pilot site for a female McCaig death within the correct timescale. The downside is that Irish certificates don't give very much information. I recently bought a certificate for my greataunts death but it wasn't hers. The only way I knew this was that the husband's occupation was totally wrong but the certificate didn't even give her husband's name!! This seems to be the norm for then as my Greatgrandmother, on her death certificate was described only as "widow of an Iron Founder".

Pollock....Have you seen this from 1881 Census..only McCaig listed for Liverpool

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James MCCAIG Head M Male 35 L Pool, Lancashire, England Stone Mason
Ann J. MCCAIG Wife M Female 29 L Pool, Lancashire, England
Francis MCCAIG Son Male 10 L Pool, Lancashire, England Scholar
John Hy. MCCAIG Son Male 8 L Pool, Lancashire, England Scholar
William MCCAIG Son Male 6 L Pool, Lancashire, England Scholar
** James MCCAIG Son Male 3 L Pool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Edward MCCAIG Son Male 8 m L Pool, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 16A Birchfield St
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341870
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3633 / 129
Page Number 17

Pollock....

Marriage of a James McCaig...1899 to Julia Whelan at St Philip West Derby.