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Hi Janey, might be getting the knack of this, I too found the school entries, so contrary to family jokes he did get some education. He was the last child to be born to his parents and I still feel he was born in Jersey.
Going to have an early night.

Found two refs for Albert GIRARD


D/J/N2 St James' School. D/J/N2/4 St James' Infants school Log Book. Index available. [This log book has been indexed by people's names. Please note that the person that you are interested in may only appear on one page] -

D/J/N9 Phillips Street / La Motte Street Schools, St Helier. D/J/N9/3 La Motte Street Boys school Log Book. Index available. [This log book has been indexed by people's names. Please note that the person that you are interested in may only appear on one page] -


The dates are quite general, but would fit Albert's timeframe.

Oops. ;) She must have been making a trip to Jersey archives maybe and did a check for me!

Thanks for that link -- I'll try it out too.


The main Q here is:

birth of Albert François Auguste Marcelle GERARD could be GIRARD c1912.

I'll bet Sylvia would also be interested in seeing birth records for the other children in the 1891 census:

Peter Girard 36
Marie Girard 27 - born France
Jeanne Girard 10 - born France
Augustine Girard 8 - born Guernsey
> Adile Girard 2 - it's Adèle H - born Jersey St Helier i.e. c1888-9
> Pierre Girard 2 Mo - born Jersey St Helier i.e. 1891

and then also the two in the 1911 census:

GIRARD PIERRE EMILE 1902 Jersey
GIRARD EMILE PIERRE 1906 Jersey


Drat, Sylvia was still here after all and beat me to it!

Thankyou. Looking for the following;

death of Peter/Pierre Girard between 1901 and 1911 gardener married to Marie Louise Eugenie Darthenay. Both born France.

Birth of Albert August Francois Marcel Girard/Gerard approx 1912. Already have Alberts marriage and death certificate.

All help appreciated. Thankyou

My head is spinning reading through this thread but if you give me specific BMDs to look up with approximate dates I'll see what I can find although if you've already visited the Archive you've probably found all there is.

Any on-line records are to be found here - more going on all the time.

www.jerseyheritagetrust.jeron.je

My next session there is Tues morning.

PS to Janey - Sablon is in Guernsey, try me for Jersey look-ups :)

To help you out, I've edited my first post on page one to clarify what you're looking for now.

sorry janey, really green at this. will do as you say.

Thanks Janey will take your advice.

Aha, that makes sense, the date she had the certificate issued for the purpose of travelling to Jersey.

Jersey records - bonne chance, eh? ;)

Maybe change your subject line to something like

- Girard/Gerard, help with Jersey records? -

I'm afraid it isn't my area of expertise, and as far as I know the records are generally only available on site. Someone here did do a bit of checking for me (I have a grx2 grfather's sister supposedly born in Jersey) and I'll see whether I can find those messages ...

No luck. Oh, I remember who it is -- sablon. I've hailed her by PM to come and take a look, and hopefully she'll have some ideas.

Hi Janey, was so hyped up about the Girards/Gerards that I hardly slept.
Have got out all my paper work and found an old letter from Immigration & Nationality Department ( St. Helier. Jersey) dated may 2000 which states that they believe the date of Marie's marriage to Pierre ( Peter Girard) may have been the date that she obtained a COPY of her marriage certificate and not tyhe date of her actual marriage. She first arrived in Jersey about 1889. The date of 25 august 1920 is the date she registered in Jersey as required by law. Can you tell me the best site to use to find information on Jersey records. Sorry for confusion but at least we have some of the children born before Albert.

When you finish here Janey would you pop in to surnames and have a peek at the "Povey "thread please.?

Aha, married. So maybe Peter/Pierre hadn't died, possibly had preceded her back to France, and was indeed Albert's father.

Ta, Viv!

When do we start whining about needing the 1921 census?

Sylvia - no children recorded with her at the 1920 entry to Jersey?

fantastic work for one night, thankyou. Will have to go to bed now, head spinning with names, dates etc. Will lay out all the certificates I have tomorrow and ID cards and try to unravel again. Will be in touch. I love a good mystery.....but need sleep.

This one ?


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GIRARD, Marie Head Married
20 years F 37 1874 Washerwoman Normandy France VIEW
GIRARD, Adele H Daughter F 13 1898 St Helier Jersey VIEW
GIRARD, Pierre Emile Daughter M 9 1902 St Helier Jersey VIEW
GIRARD, Emile Pierre Daughter M 5 1906 Guernsey VIEW
LE PLONGEON, Marie Boarder Married F 39 1872 Domestic Servant Carteret France VIEW
DURAND, Frank Boarder Single M 36 1875 Labourer St Ouens Jersey

Hurray!

So the widowed Marie went back to France and married then returned to Jersey, in August 1920.

What's confusing me though: her death is in the name Girard/Gerard?

What was her name when she returned in 1920? Her husband's name?

And if she was already widowed in 1911, who was actually Albert's father??

I'm gonna go holler for Viv again to get out her 1911 subscription and tell us what it says about Marie and family.

Hi Janey. Looks like you hit gold. The names I gave you were given to me by a daughter born to Alberts wife ( Hilda ) before she met him. So she is a half sister to my husband Andre. I did not get the names from any census but from a family member. Well done you. This family line I have had set aside for about 5 years as I have been concentrating on my own line.
We did visit Jersey 2 years running looking for clues but the records are very sketchy. Whilst there we asked them to search for a female Gerard who would hva died between 1949 and 1959 and they found an entry for Marie Loiuse Eugenie Dartahenay wife of Pierre Emile Gerard but the e had been crossed out and replaced with an i making it Girard. They gave me a copy of this ladies registration card and it gives her place of birth as Periers Manche France. She married there 20/8/1920. When she entered Jersey 25/08/1920 she came as a french national, married and was a chamber maid.The registration card has her photo and states that she was born 16/12/1872. It shows all her places of employment, some residential, but no mention of Pierre (peter)

But look here! 1901 in Jersey:

Name: Peter Girard
Age in 1901: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse's Name: Marie
Where born: Fs (French Subject), France
OCCUPATION: GARDENER

Civil parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey


Peter Girard 36
Marie Girard 27 - born France
Jeanne Girard 10 - born France
Augustine Girard 8 - born Guernsey
Adile Girard 2 - it's Adèle- born Jersey St Helier
Pierre Girard 2 Mo - born Jersey St Helier


Those names match up pretty danged well!!

And here I thought I'd be useless. ;)


1911

GIRARD MARIE 1874 37 Jersey
GIRARD ADELE H 1898 13 Jersey
GIRARD PIERRE EMILE 1902 9 Jersey
GIRARD EMILE PIERRE 1906 5 Jersey


I don't have access to details to see Marie's marital status / years married etc.

The question would be where father Peter is, since Albert was born after 1911.

Please tell me that when you said what you believed the names of Albert's siblings to be, you weren't taking them from the same 1911 census I've found!

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The 1911 census has
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