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there is this john in the 1881 who sort of fits with Huddersfield

Anne SEDDON Head W Female 33 Shipley, York, England Provision Dealer
John SEDDON Son U Male 21 Huddersfield, York, England Shop Assistant
James SEDDON Son Male 13 Lancashire, England Shop Assistant

Source Information:
Dwelling 194 Terrace Netherfield Road (N)
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341877
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3662 / 27
Page Number 47

On close looking he is deascribed as son of Ann who would only have been 11 years old when he was born! So the whole transcription is a bit suspect. Might be worth consulting the original records.

in fact it is quite difficult to find ANY John Seddon in the 1860's who was born outside Lancashire!

How did your friend get back to John & Ann in the original post? Everything we have found seems to fit the original criteria.

This marriage?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SEDDON John KEMP Ada Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/69/325

Hi Everyone,

Having spoken to my friend, on whose behalf I am carrying out this research, it would appear that w might have the wrong family!!

According to my friend, her grandfather, John Seddon, was born in 1862. He was 20 years old when he married an Ada Kemp at St Nicholas' Parish Church Liverpool in 1882. The Joh Seddon we have was born in 1868 and would have only been 14 in 1882.

Any ideas?

According to the 1911 census he was born in Huddesfield in 1864. However, I cant find a matching birth for HUdesfield 1864.

Frank

incidentally judging by the ref nos the first Ellen & Lydia WERE twins, born in the same year as the first Elizabeth Ellen

it was quite common practise to name subsequent children after those who had died earlier

the second Elizabeth

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SEDDON Elizabeth Ellen Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/32/97
SEDDON Elizabeth Ellen Chorley Preston HAYDOCK CHO/32/97

the second John

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1868 (age mistranscribed 1881)
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SEDDON John Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/40/16
SEDDON John Chorley Preston HAYDOCK CHO/40/16

the second Lydia

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SEDDON Lydia Elizabeth Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/42/49
SEDDON Lydia Elizabeth Chorley Preston HAYDOCK CHO/42/49

and Agnes

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SEDDON Agnes Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/47/21
SEDDON Agnes Chorley Preston HAYDOCK CHO/47/21

Sorry Frank but unsure what you mean by this

'but am puzzled as to how some of the early born children appear on later census records. Were they named after their older siblings?'

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Frank, Not much help, but every response takes this back to the top of the page to be seen again:

Is this them in the 1881 Census?

James SEDDON Head M Male 56 Chorley, Lancashire, England Engine Tenter At Cotton Mill
Ann SEDDON Wife M Female 56 Wrightington, Lancashire, England Frames To Tend
James SEDDON Son U Male 19 Chorley, Lancashire, England Bobin Turner Wood
Elizabeth SEDDON Daur U Female 17 Chorley, Lancashire, England Weaver In A Cotton Mill
Marsha SEDDON Daur U Female 14 Chorley, Lancashire, England Drawer In A Cotton Mill
John SEDDON Son U Male 17 Chorley, Lancashire, England Tenter In A Cotton Mill
Lydia SEDDON Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Agnes SEDDON Daur Female 8 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary GREENHALGH Boarder Female 52 Bolton, Lancashire, England Service Domestic


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Source Information:
Dwelling 20 Sutcliffe St
Census Place Chorley, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342010
Public Records Office Reference RG11

Hi

Many thanks to all who have replied to my query. It is much appreciated.

I have managed to sort out the fact that James obviously married widow, Ann Anderton (nee Haydockk) but am puzzled as to how some of the early born children appear on later census records. Were they named after their older siblings? I know that this happened in my own family after an early death.

Cheers
Frank

this could explain it

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1851
ANDERTON John
HAYDOCK Ann
Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1851
ANDERTON John 29 Chorley

so Ann was actually born as Ann Haydock - her marriage certificate to James should prove it

for some reason Alice & John appears to have a different mmn (HAYDOCK)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1857
SEDDON Alice Chorley Preston HAYDOCK

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1860
SEDDON John Chorley Preston HAYDOCK

edit - actually all the other children also seem to be registered as Haydock as well as Anderton with the same reference numbers - will look further

these are the children with mmn = Anderton

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
SEDDON Mary Ann Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/20/100

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
SEDDON Elizabeth Ellen Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/22/56
SEDDON Ellen Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/23/55
SEDDON Lydia Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/23/55

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
SEDDON James Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/29/88

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1863
SEDDON Elizabeth Ellen Chorley Preston ANDERTON CHO/32/97

of the 3 born in 1856 I would guess Ellen & Lydia are twins as they have the same reference number BUT

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1856
SEDDON Ellen 0 Chorley Preston CHO/16/20

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1857
SEDDON Elizabeth Ellen 1 Chorley

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1858
SEDDON Lydia 1 Chorley

1841 census
Chorley, Lancashire
Ellen Seddon, 40
James Seddon, 15, coal miner
Both born in county.

1851 census
Alfreds Court, Chorley, Lancashire
Lydia Goulding, head, widow, 75, parish relief formerly baker, born Chorley
Ellen Seddon, sister, single, 65, hand loom weaver, born "
James Seddon, nephew, single, 25, collier, born Charnock Rich'd
James Fielding, lodger, widower, 35, hand loom weaver, born Sharrack Wright

1861 census
Alfreds Court, Chorley. Lancashire
James Seddon, head, 35, coal miner, born Lancs, Heath Charnock
Ann, wife, 30, factory operative, born Lancs, Wrightington (transcribed Arighbrigton)
Ann, dau, 6, born Chorley
Alice, dau, 3, born "
John, son, 1, born "
Ellen, lodger, single, 75, born "

1861.

SEDDEN, James Head Married M 35 1826 Coal Miner
Heath Charnock
Lancashire
SEDDEN, Ann Wife Married F 30 1831 Factory Operative
Wrightington
Lancashire
SEDDEN, Ann Daughter F 6 1855
Chorley
Lancashire
SEDDEN, Alice Daughter F 3 1858
Chorley
Lancashire
SEDDEN, John Son M 1 1860
Chorley
Lancashire
SEDDEN, Ellen Lodger Unmarried F 75 1786
Chorley
Lancashire

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
3120 Folio:
22 Page:
35

Registration District:
Chorley Sub District:
4 Chorley EnumerationDistrict:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St George

Civil Parish:
Chorley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Alfreds Court, Chorley County:
Lancashire

Possible marriage.


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Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
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>>>>Anderton Ann Chorley 8e 554
Atkinson John Chorley 8e 554
Cowell Elizabeth Chorley 8e 554
Rhodes George Rochdale 8e 554
>>>>Seddon James Chorley 8e 554

Possible death for James

Name: James Seddon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 63
District: Chorley
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e

possibly Ann
Name: Ann Seddon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 64
District: Chorley
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 290

Page: 317

Is them in 1871?



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SEDDON, James Head M 44 1827 Lancashire (Chorley)
SEDDON, Ann Wife F 40 1831 Lancashire (Wrightingon)
SEDDON, Mary An Daughter F 16 1855 Lancashire
SEDDON, Alice Daughter F 13 1858 Lancashire
SEDDON, James Son M 9 1862 Lancashire
SEDDON, Elizabeth Ellen Daughter F 7 1864 Lancashire
SEDDON, Martha* Daughter F 4 1867 Lancashire
SEDDON, John Son M 2 1869 Lancashire
SEDDON, Lydia Daughter F 1 1870 Lancashire
TURNER, Alice Boarder F 53 1818 Lancashire
HOWARTH, Mary Boarder F 78 1793 Lancashire

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4198 Folio:
48 Page:
42

Registration District:
Chorley Sub District:
Chorley EnumerationDistrict:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Chorley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Alfred's Court, Chorley County:
Lancashire

All children born Chorley