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Thankyou for the information about the look up. xxxx

In response to
"It may be that Agnes and Helen Izat both sisters married 2 Maxwell brothers"

Scottish marriage certificates give the parents' names (including mother's maiden surname) of both the bride and groom. If you get the marriage certificates from Scotlandspeople you will know if Agnes and Helen were sisters and the grooms were brothers.

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Izat girls 1861 ?

Name: Agnes Izat
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Dreghorn, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 589
Registration district: Dreghorn
Civil parish: Dreghorn
County: Ayrshire
Address: 5 Southhook Row
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_84
Household Members: Name Age

Andrew Izat 28
Elizabeth Izat 28
Robert Izat 8
Margaret Izat 7
Agnes Izat 4
Jane Izat 2
Hellen Izat 3 Mo



Source Citation: Parish: Dreghorn; ED: 6; Page: 2; Line: 17; Roll CSSCT1861_84; Year: 1861.




Izet girls 1871 with different mother ?? Catherine not Elizabeth..


Name: Agnes Izzeth
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Female
Where born: Dleghone, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 45 Mcneil St
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1871_141
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Izzeth 38
Catherine Izzeth 38
Margt Izzeth 17
Agnes Izzeth 14
Jane Izzeth 12
Helen Izzeth 10
John Izzeth 8
William Izzett 6
Mary Izzett 4
Janet Izzett 2


Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Govan; ED: 9; Page: 5; Line: 22; Roll CSSCT1871_141; Year: 1871.

Ok one more !!

Nothing for John and Hannah on 1911 English census and no deaths for them from 1911 through 1934...

Do you think they could have gone to Ireland ?

Misty x

And this could be your Greatgrandad John with his family ?


1871 Scotland Census
Name: John McCudden
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 888
Registration district: Kirkcowan
Civil parish: Kirkcowan
County: Wigtownshire
Address: Spittal Cott 1
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1871_189
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis McCudden 30...1841...Ireland...Ploughman
Elizabeth McCudden 30...1841...Ireland..Ploughmans Wife
James L McCudden 11...1860..England
Rosanna McCudden 8...1863...England
Francis McCudden 6...1865..Ireland
John McCudden 5...1866...Ireland
Mary McCudden 3...1868...Ireland
Robert McCudden 1....1870...Kirkcowen, Wigtown
Robert McCudden 1day....1871....Kirkcowen, Wigtown

1881 Scotland Census
Name: John McCudden
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 897
Registration district: Sorbie
Civil parish: Sorbie
County: Wigtownshire
Address: Orchardtown Farm House
Occupation: Out Door Worker
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 23
Line: 22
Roll: cssct1881_335
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis McCudden 39
Elizabeth McCudden 38
Rose McCudden 66....Mother of Francis...Ireland
John McCudden 15
Mary McCudden 14
Robert McCudden 11
Elizabeth McCudden 10...**mistranscribed in 1871 as Robert**

My bed is calling now :0

Misty x

There is a tree on Ancestry that has the following information. Needless to say, the info will need confirming, but it might help you along a little.

Hannah Shields McDevitt b. 1868 Macclesfield, Cheshire.
John McCudden, b. 1861, Ireland .
Married in 1885 Glasgow

Parents of Hannah -

Thomas McDevitt b. 1839, Glasgow.
Jane Morris b. 1842, Paisley.
Married - 11 June 1866, Greenock.

Hanna's siblings

Margaret Shields McDevitt b. 8th Aug 1866, Greenock.Renfrewshire Scotland.
Married John O'Hara (b, 6 Sept 1867, Bridgeton). on 7 JUL 1888
Sacred Heart Chapel, Glasgow. Margaret & John had 11 children.

Jane Morris McDevitt b. 1 OCT 1870 Greenock, Renfrewshire Scotland. Died 1 DEC 1909 Bridgeton .

Off to bed now, me thinks lol.

Greatgrandma Hannah with her family

1871 Scotland Census
Name: Hannah McDevitt
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: MacClesfield
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 88 Main
ED: 117
Household schedule number: 70
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1871_142
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McDevitt 32...1839...Lanark, Renfrew...Compositer
Jane McDevitt 26...1845..Renfrewshire
Hannah McDevitt 2
Jane McDevitt 6 mo....Glasgow, Gorbals



1881 Scotland Census
Name: Hannah McDevitt
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 119 Reid St
Occupation: Cotton Factory-Half Timer
ED: 55
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_215
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McDevitt 41
Jane McDevitt 38
Hannah McDevitt 12
Jane McDevitt 10

Her birth...

Name: Hannah Shiels McDevitt
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: MacClesfield
County: Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 132

Misty x

If the 1871 Census for the Maxwell brothers is the correct one, this is them in 1861.

1861

Name: Alexander Maxwell
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Hester
Gender: Male
Where born: Govan, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 646/1
Registration district: Govan
Civil parish: Govan
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Pattisons Row
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_114
Household Members: Name Age

Robert Maxwell 60
Hester Maxwell 36
Archibald Maxwell 12
John Maxwell 7
Alexander Maxwell 5
Margaret Maxwell 3
Hester Maxwell 1



Source Citation: Parish: Govan; ED: 20; Page: 12; Line: 5; Roll CSSCT1861_114; Year: 1861.

The McCudden clan....

1901 Scotland Census
Name: John McCudden
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Bridgeton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 72 Oswald St
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 77
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1901_265
Household Members:
Name Age
John McCudden 39....1862...Ireland
Hannah McCudden 33...1868....England
Kate McCudden 14...1887...Chocolate Worker
Thomas McCudden 12...1889
Mary McCudden 11...1890
John McCudden 9...1892
Hannah McCudden 7..1894
Alice McCudden 3...1898
Francies McCudden 2..1901

All children born Glasgow


1891 Scotland Census
Name: John McCadden
[John McCudden]
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 62 Muslin St
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer
ED: 13
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_238
Household Members:
Name Age
John McCadden 28
Hannah McCadden 22
Kate McCadden 4
Thomas McCadden 2
Mary McCadden 11 months

Misty x

No I havent, thankyou for that tip:) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Smurfy

Have you looked on Scotlandspeople?

The poor relief records for Glasgow are indexed and kept at the Mitchell library in Glasgow so you may find something there about abandoned children there.


EDIT

They also hold the Glasgow newspapers.

Netty, I see you are still there too, I cant wait to talk to my mum.
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1871 Maxwell brothers.

Name: Alexand Maxwell
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Easther
Gender: Male
Where born: Govan, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 646/2
Registration district: Park
Civil parish: Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Young's Row
Occupation: Coalminer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_144
Household Members: Name Age

Robert Maxwell 51
Easther Maxwell 46
John Maxwell 17
Alexand Maxwell 15
Margaret Maxwell 13
Further Maxwell 11
Robert Maxwell 9
Allan Maxwell 7
Janet Maxwell 5
Mary Maxwell 1


Source Citation: Parish: Govan; ED: 4; Page: 6; Line: 13; Roll CSSCT1871_144; Year: 1871.

Misty, That could be my great gran and grandads,
sister and brother-in-law.

Brill :), :)xxxx
John was born around 1895 and my grandad Andrew was 1904

1901 Scotland Census
Name: Alexander Maxwell
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/9
Registration district: Kelvin
Civil parish: Glasgow St Vincent
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 109 Kent Rd
Occupation: Engine Fitter
ED: 31
Household schedule number: 144
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_299
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Maxwell 34
Helen Maxwell 36
John Maxwell 8
Archie Maxwell 6
Alexander Maxwell 3



1891 Scotland Census
Name: Alexander Maxwell
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: Blantyre, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 85 Oswald St
Occupation: Engine Fitter
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 113
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1891_238
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Maxwell 24
Helen Maxwell 26

Misty x

dont think thats it, as Agnes her sister is not mentioned there. xxx
Oh god i feel terrible now with you looking up so many things for me and your getting the run around ,maybe!
please take a break now, I do appreciate the help you have been giving me but dont want to take advantage. you are a kind person. xxxx

Izat Side: Agnes had 2 Son's John ,who maybe was a P.O.W. in Germany 1918 & Andrew. We know of possibly 1 sister Helen Izat who married Alexander Maxwell in 1888 Hutchie area of Glasgow with 1 son Andrew,
It may be that Agnes and Helen Izat both sisters married 2 Maxwell brothers.

Do you have any of the childrens details at all ?. Maybe that will help.

Not having much luck with the McCudden family i'm afraid.

And a poss for Agnes....although on second look there are a number of Agnes Izat/Izatt


1861 Scotland Census
Name: Agnes Izat
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Wadwick, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 2 Kerr St
ED: 95
Household schedule number: 43
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_125
Household Members:
Name Age
Helen Laidlaw 25
A Laidlaw 18
Helen Tinline 18
James Mages 15
Agnes Izat 16
June Izat 13
Jane Collance 45

Misty x

No no no Agnes cant have been born 1840-45, would she still be having babies at almost 60 yr old......