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Hi Dennsi
when I first read your posting at 19:48, you had not added the correction that you appreciated there were two Ralph Byes.
I typed up my response posted at 19:53, feeling exasperated that you ahd not seemed to ahve read anyhting that I had posted. I did not then read back.
So I did not see that you had made the correction to acknowledge that Ralph Bye married to Jane was not your Ralph.
I am sorry
sylvia
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You do have it right in your last posting
Ralph Bye married Charlotte Chappel/Chappell
Charlotte had been married previously to James Chappel, and had a number of children with him
The 1871 Census is probably correct ....... it is the only one with a Charlotte Chappel of the right age and birthplace.
At least 2 children (the youngest) accompanied her into the new marriage, and were still lving with Ralph and Charlotte Bye in the 1881 Census
It was probably Charlotte Welch/Welsh who married James Chappel ...... but you need to check on censuses to determine that ...... ie, does Charlotte Welsh disappear from the records at the time that Charlotte Chappel appears. Or find the parish record of that marriage ......... eg, by looking on the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org
sylvia
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Unfortunately, the only record that shows on the I G I is a submitted record, and these cannot be trusted. The information has been sent in by someone, usually a member of the Mormon church, and there is no backing documentation. You should never add such informatrion to your tree unless and until you can find that backup documentation.
for the record, here is the information from the I G I.
It is NOT your couple, but I'm putting it here so that you do not get mis-led
JAMES CHAPPLE Pedigree
Male Family
Parents:
Father: JOHN CHAPPLE Family
Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLOTTE GUDGIN Family
Marriage: 17 OCT 1857 Great Berkhampstead, Hertford, England
Husband Age at Marriage: 21
Wife Age at Marriage: 24
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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.
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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7309934
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from freebmd
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Chappel James Royston &. 6 1059
Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
Chapple James Berkhampstead 3a 461
they are two different people
sylvia
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There is this Charlotte Welch on the 1841 Census ................ the image shows that she is living with what seems to be her family (as you may know, the 1841 census does not actually state relationships, so one ahs to assume them). I have no idea why each of them has been indexed independently, but that is what has happened!
1841 Census
Name: Charlotte Welch
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wyddiall
Hundred: Edwinstree
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buntingford and Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford <<<<<<<< where she says she was born in later censuses
Charlotte Welch 12
The other people in the household are:-
Name: Sarah Welch
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wyddiall
Hundred: Edwinstree
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buntingford and Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Welch 45
Name: William Welch
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wyddiall
Hundred: Edwinstree
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buntingford and Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Household Members: Name Age
William Welch 45 Ag Lab
Name: Joseph Welch
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wyddiall
Hundred: Edwinstree
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buntingford and Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Welch 15
Name: John Welch
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Wyddiall
Hundred: Edwinstree
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buntingford and Royston
Sub-registration district: Buntingford
Household Members: Name Age
John Welch 11
Now, these names do not fit the ones that you found on the christening record, so I don't know which one is correct!
This Charlotte Welch does not appear on any other census that I can see
sylvia
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Hi Sylvia
It's for me to apologise - I'd logged on and had a quick look through and decided to make my comment as I'd been logged off for a while. After I submitted I then started looking through in more detail - realising my error within a minurte I decided to update rather than create a new entry - seems like a mistake. Thanks for the latest details.
Best wishes
Dennis
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