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Hi Elizabeth.
Thank you so much for trying to find the baptism of Sarah c1842, Charlotte c1846 & Elias c 1849. I haven’t found a birth for them under the names given in the census, unless they were given two names & used the second one, or they weren’t registered?

I don’t have access to the 1851 census, but have attempted match up the census index with the births from Feee BMD, but that didn’t help, I just got confused.

Ann E

Ann

I have checked the Sway P/R fiche---no luck !

I have also re checked the Boldre fiche and had a look at the Lymington ones without finding any Buddens (or Buttons) the only ones which cannot be checked are the Non Comformist registers (which are not kept at HRO )

I cannot see them in the Birth Indexes either-have you found them ?

Sorry !!

Hi,
Some time ago someone I was in contact with someone who told me they found that Thomas father was Elias, they didn’t say where they found the info, I never heard from them again, so Elias is in pencil & has a large ? beside him until I find out more.

Thank again to every one who has so kindly added info.
Ann

1881

Elias BUDDEN Head W Male 68 East End, Hampshire, England Farmer Of 3 Acres
Thomas BUDDEN Son U Male 29 Beaulieu Rls, Hampshire, England Assist To Head Ag Lab


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Source Information:
Census Place Boldre, Hampshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341291
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1189 / 126
Page Number 19

Ann

I am wondering why you think "your" Elias' grandfather was William or William Elias ?

The only baptism for a James Budden at Boldre was 15 June 1800 s Thomas and Jane (they seem to have had a fancy for wifes called Jane !!)
as Margaret gives

Thomas BUDDEN and Jane LAMBERT married at Boldre 11 November 1789
they also baptised
21 Nov 1790-Thomas buried 1825 age 34
07 Apr 1793-Sarah buried 1816 age 22
28 Feb 1796-Elizabeth
07 Jan 1798-Mary

An Elias and Jane Budden baptised a Thomas at Boldre in 1786 but he would be too young to be the father of James in 1800

Thank everyone for their help, & thank you very much Elizabeth for going to look for them.
I found this

21 Jan 1873 BUDDEN William Elias 25 B. PLUMBLEY Elizabeth 30 S. G/F BUDDEN Elias. B/F PLUMBLEY Barnabas. At Yarmouth IOW
The Elias I am looking for grandfather was Elias, I wonder if he didn’t know the name of his father?
(I have found this twice before in other families)
I then looked at the census
1881 IOW
William E. BUDDEN Head M Male 34 East Boldre, Hampshire, Boot Maker
Mary Ann BUDDEN Wife M Female 29 Ha...ber Winford, Devon,
Mary Eveline BUDDEN Daur Female 6 m Yarmouth, IOW, Hampshire,
High Street Census Place Yarmouth, Hampshire, RG11 Piece / Folio 1188 / 74 Pg 2

No birth for William Elias born 1848 but found these
Births Dec 1847
BUDDEN William Lymington 8 151
BUDDEN William Lymington 8 157
BUDDEN William Lymington 8 153

1851 census
Budden William 1848 Hants Boldre Lymington, Lymington
Budden William 1847 Hants Boldre Lymington, Lymington

Was the third William, William Elias, but known as Elias, son of James & Jane?

Ann

Ann

No sign of any of them in the Boldre baptisms !

The fiche are very feint but I think I would have found them !

however

Got home and checked my handbook on the Hampshire collection of P/Rs and found that for Boldre "see also North Baddesley and Sway"
I think North Baddesley will not help as it was formed from Boldre in 1859 but Sway sounds more hopeful as it was formed from Boldre in 1841 so I will pop back and take a look.

Unfortunately the Boldre buriels fiche 1814-1874 have gone missing !

Will let you know what happens

Elizabeth

As Margaret said


On the 1851 Census ..... Fanny age 23 on the transcript is James age 23 on the actual image!

James Budden 51 Ag Lab
Jane Budden 46
Fanny Budden 23 <<<< James 23 Ag Lab
William Budden 12 Ag Lab
Thomas Budden 10
Sarah Budden 8
Charlotte Budden 5
Elias Budden 2



Mis-transcription of very faint writing



sylvia

The same family:
1841 census
Boldre, Hampshire
James Budden, 40, ag lab
Jane, 40
Jane, 15
James, 13
George, 11
Samuel, 9
Charles, 7
William, 5
David, 1 day

I checked my BVRI discs for Buddens in Boldre. Unfotunately the records for Boldre only go up to 1812. There is this one. Could he be your James, aged 51 on the 51 census? I know you said you had his age as 23 but that's not possible if he had a daughter aged 23?

BUDDEN, James Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Jun 1800 Recorded in: Boldre, Hampshire, England
Father: Thomas BUDDEN
Mother: Jane
Source: FHL Film 1041228 Dates: 1663 - 1812
Update: Just had a look at the original of that 1851 census. James Budden was 51. His wife Jane was 46 and he had a son James 23. There's no daughter Fanny.

Thank you very much Elizabeth, I really appreciate that.
I have even looked for the children as unnamed Budden in birth index with no luck. I think Elias may have had two Christian names like his brother David Thomas, who was Thomas in the 1851.
Thanks again.
Ann

Ann

I am going into Lymington Library to look up some buriels in Boldre for someone else either tomorrow (Monday ) or Tuesday

I will have a look and get back to you

Thank you Lorraine, that is the census I have, only I have James Budden age 23.
I have the baptism of their first 7 children including Thomas David born 6 July 1841 bap 7 Nov 1841. It is the last three I cant find .
Ann

just to confirm family on 1851

1851 England Census
about Elias Budden
Name: Elias Budden
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Boldre, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Boldre
Ecclesiastical parish: East Boldre St Paul
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
James Budden 51
Jane Budden 46
Fanny Budden 23
William Budden 12
Thomas Budden 10
Sarah Budden 8
Charlotte Budden 5
Elias Budden 2

Thank you Margaret but I don’t think that is him, the date is a bit out. In the copy I have of the 1851 census; Elias Budden age 2 Son born Boldre, Hampshire
Ann

Births Jun 1845
BUDDEN Eli Lymington 8 178

This must be Elias as this area is covered by Boldre

Margaret

Please can any one look up the baptisms at Boldre Hampshire for, Sarah Budden born c1842, Charlotte Budden born c1846 and Elias Budden born c1849. I cannot find the registrations births under Budden of variations.
I also can’t find Elias in any census after the 1851, there is no record of death.
Thank you Ann