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I am trying to find descendants of Alfred Early who married Matilda Jansen in 1909.They had three children I think, who were Eileen, born 1918 and William born 1913. also Dorothy born 1923. As far as I know they lived in Edmonton, Middlesex. If there is anyone who can help me I would be very grateful.
Thanks, Jean,

Can't find the marriage at FreeBMD, or find them in the 1911 census!

Can you give the source of your info?

We do have births ...

Births Dec 1913
Early William A Jansen Southwark 1d 195

Births Mar 1918
Early Eileen Jansen Southwark 1d 131

Births Jun 1923
Early Dorothy J Jansen Southwark 1d 141

are you after birth records, marriages ??


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Birth, Marriage & Death
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PreviewName: Eileen Early
Mother's Maiden Surname: Jansen
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1918
Registration district: Southwark
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d 131

Take a look at the picture to see even more.

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Name: Eileen Early
Mother: Jansen
Birth: Jan Feb Mar 1918 - Southwark, Greater London


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name: Dorothy J Early
Mother: Jansen
Birth: Apr May Jun 1923 - Southwark, Greater London 1d 141


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Marriage & Death
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Name: William A Early
Mother: Jansen
Birth: Dec 1913 - Southwark(1901 Onw), Greater London, London 1d 195

Regards Linda :)

it wasn't a minute!!

Okay, tag -- *you* find the marriage!

Thing is, the marriages of the 3 children involve people who may be living -- do you want to look for them and send them by PM? I have to go have din and get some sleep ...

That sticks you with looking for their kids, too. ;)

Actually, they're likely deceased ...

Name: Dorothy J Early
Spouse Surname: Keeble
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Registration district: Southwark
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 67


Ancestry has messed something up and isn't giving the husband's name ...


George W Keeble -- spouse's name is spelled "Earley" on his record.

There isn't one, and no record of a matilda jansen birth either? are you there jean??
You have a good snooze janey, I'm up for at least another 6 hrs!!
Regards Linda :)

Okay, I've got two births for the Keeble-Early marriage and will PM them to Jean and ask that she check her thread.

Over to you!


And of course the sad but not unexpected news, Dorothy died in 2003:

Name: Dorothy Joan Keeble
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1923
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2003
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: North East Lincolnshire
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Register number: A58C
District and Subdistrict: 548/1A
Entry number: 118

There is also this one which fits in with a Dec regestration

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 about William Alfred Early
Name: William Alfred Early
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2000
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Henley
Inferred County: Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Register number: 33B
District and Subdistrict: 7011
Entry number: 3

and no record for matilda because:????

Name: Matilda Jansen
Birth Date: abt 1871
Age: 24
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 9 Feb 1895
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Umbria
Search Ship Database: View the 'Umbria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Official Number: 91159

Regards Linda :)

Clever clogs. Figgered as much. ;)

-- Oh, but marriage?


Have PMed the marriage and children (and possible child's marriage) for Dorothy, and invited Jean back to the thread.

I forgot to say, Jean - please always reply in the thread by clicking the purple REPLY button up at the top, not by clicking a name and sending a private message. (I sent that info by PM because it's personal info about living people.)

Thankyou so much for all your help and expertise. I will study what you have given me and make some sense of it. I am not sure what is referred to as BTcould you explain please.
I would dearly love to make contact with living relatives if I can.I dont know if this is possible.
My husbands( who I lost to Leukemia last year),father was brother to Edith Matilda Jansen who married Alfred Early.I do have a copy of the marriage cert 1909 and you have found children and marriages of their decendants.
Sadly as you have discovered for me some have died.
I now need to find a way to make contact if possible.
Thanks again, Jean.

Aha. Somebody's mistranscribed.

Marriages Mar 1909
EARLY Alfred Southwark 1d 113
> 113 should be 118, it seems

Marriages Mar 1909
JANSEN Edith Matilda Southwark 1d 118


Just for our ref, to clarify the situation.


BT on line is British Telecom - it's the link I copied for you in my message where you can search for telephone numbers/addresses for the names I sent.

Thankyou, I will be back shortly. Jean.

I do not seem to be having any luck. I paid for credits on192.com and did other searches but am frustated because I cannot seem to get anywhere.
Can you help? Maybe if I try to trace descendants of the son of Edith and Alfed Early, being William Early .He died in 2000 and I think he might have married a Margery Dyer??
Hoping I,m not asking too much, Jean.

Firstly you should buy the marriage certificate to make sure this is 'your' William...

The death certificate may also give you extra info.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about William A Early
Name: William A Early
Spouse Surname: Dyer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Southwark
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 94

Can not see births for any children

Hi Jean.

I did send you the details of the births of Dorothy Early Keeble's children, and what seemed to be pretty certainly the marriage of her daughter.

I don't know whether that was who you searched for at 192.com.

I was in a bit of a rush as I was having eye surgery the next day, so I didn't do the 192.com search. I've done it now, and found that couple (Dorothy's daughter and her husband) on the electoral roll 2002-2006, and sent you the bare bones reference. I've also sent you the link for Whirley's thread where you can ask her to look up the details for you:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1133232

Once you have the address and know what county they're in, you can look for a more recent listing at BT on line, if the electoral roll details are out of date:

http://www.thephonebook.bt.com

Jean, you saw the death reference Julie posted for the person who is probably your William Alfred Early:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 about William Alfred Early
Name: William Alfred Early
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2000
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Henley
Inferred County: Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Register number: 33B
District and Subdistrict: 7011
Entry number: 3

The idea is that you should obtain that death certificate, because it might contain the name of a family member as the informant of death.

It would also give you an exact date and place of death. That information could help you find a published obituary in local newspaper archives, e.g. at a local public library, or with the help of someone at the newspaper. An obituary would name family members, including children, if any.

I recommend this all the time, and I never know whether anyone follows up on it ... or just keeps hoping a family member will fall into their lap, or someone else will do the work to find one. It is absolutely what I would do if I were looking for information about the family of someone who is deceased!