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i deleted cos it double posted!

have recd this PM this morning and have replied on how to add to the thread
Many many thanks for your help , The Ramsden Cray is the one I wondered about . Rosa's name was Rosa Eunice, I do hope trhis is a help.

I have replied as follows

Hi Stanley
You should reply on the thread by clicking on the mauve reply box OR click on Add on the last reply . Clicking on someones name only send them the info by a PM so doesnt show on the thread.
I will add your info to the thread BUT still cant see any birth for her . I did ask if you knew her exact birth date . Please reply on the thread Thanks

what actual date was your mums birthday ??

Name: Jonathan Mann
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Kings Lynn
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 981
sposue Mary Ann Ringwood

wonder if this is Mary Ann on the 1891 census
Name: Mary Ann Mann
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Jonathan
Gender: Female
Where born: West Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: West Lynn
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: King
Sub-registration district: King
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan Mann 36
Mary Ann Mann 39
Robert George Mann 15
Mary Ann Ringwood 83 -mother


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1570; Folio 122; Page 2; GSU roll: 6096680.

So Stan What makes you think she was born in Norfolk please?
this is the one you quote on the 1901 census ,Was your Mum Rosa Eunice???

Name: Rosa Mann
[Rosa Eunice Mann]
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich

Civil parish: Ramsden Crays
Ecclesiastical parish: Ramsden Crays St Mary
Town: Ramsden Crays
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:Goats Moor Cottage

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Wickford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Mann 49 occ charwoman WIDOW
Rosa Mann 11

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1668; Folio: 36; Page: 7.

Also had a PM from Stanley yesterday .I have replied advising him how to reply on the thread rather than clicking on a name,
this is Stans PM

From Stanley Oh Shirley another fine mess I've got you in .
It seems my Mother Rosa possibly had no fathers name on brth. cert. so made one up on her mrg. cert. I believe this was common at the time,but makes itnearly impossible to find her.The only one I can see was a Mary Ann Mann in Essex 1901 census with a daughter Rosa both bn Norwich and a Mary Mann in Croydon at a large house owned by a brewery ( possibly a hotel type place . There were two people here at census time 1911 a Mary Mann housekeeper & cook & a Rosa Mann waitress.
Waitress ties in a little with what I heard of my Mum.
This is correct for brth. dates ie 1891 for Rosa.
Regards Stan

PM From Stanley ,
Forget all previous, as I think George H was added to ROSAs mrg crt. to save her embarrasment if she had no fathers name on her brth. cert.
She was mrd 1916 on the 4th of Jan. age 25 yrs husband Bernard C Lane address 30 and 32 Delamere Rd Southsea .
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Marriages Mar 1916
Lane Bernard C - Mann - Portsmouth 2b 1076
Mann Rosa E - Lane - Portsmouth 2b 1076

I wonder if Stanley took the Norfolk birthplace from the birth entry for 1893 which he assumes is hers.

If she was adopted then she probably wasn't born with the name Mann anyway.

Choccy

I'd say you 1901 find was a good match

Yes I know, but the 1901 census is the only family I can find that 'fit' at the moment.

Perhaps Stanley will be able to assist when he gets back to his thread.

According to Stanley, Rosa was born in Norfolk .

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rosa Isabella Mann
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 418

Names seem to fit -



1901 England Census
Name: Rosa Isabella Manor
[Rosa Isabella Mann]
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Henry
Mother's Name: Minnie
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Carman

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 140
Household Members: Name Age
George Henry Manor 34
Minnie Manor 31
Rosa Isabella Manor 8
George Henry Manor 7
William Henry Manor 5




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 379; Folio: 99; Page: 23.



All born London

this is the George who died ?


Deaths Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Mann George H 41 Portsmouth 2b 520

Ah wasnt reading it like that !! was going round in circles

I understood it to mean that George senior had two sons and also adopted Rosa

Stanley please clarify.

how can they be Georges if she wasnt born till 1893 .your dates dont add up.
have you got the certs for the sons ?

Can't see a William h 1895 in Holborn but there are these 2 possibles

Births Mar 1895
Mann William Henry - St. Giles 1b 660

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Births Jun 1896
MANN William Henry - St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 426

I think the sons are George's.

Births Dec 1893

Mann George Henry - Holborn 1b 665