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Hi everyone, I am trying to find a birth or baptism record for Sarah Ann Phelan, born circa 1859 at Enfield, Middx. Mothers name Esther and father Patrick. I,m not being lazy I really have looked everywhere, but thought someone else may be able to look at it with a fresh pair of eyes. I would be extremely grateful for any help, thanks. Jeanette.

Did she just think that was where she was born?
Was the Ann added after birth reg.

Poss??

Births Jun 1857 (>99%)
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Phelan Sarah Stepney 1c 534

Hi Vivienne, thanks a lot for replying, I have based the place of birth on the fact that the family were living in Enfield on the 1861 census. I think sarah had the second name Ann on this census, but on later census records she has just the name of Sarah. I will certainly try to find out whether the Sarah you found is my ancestor, if necessary I will get the certificate, with the proviso that the mothers name is Esther. Thank you so much for this, I,ll have to see if the Reg district would be Stepney.
I really am grateful for the information, thanks so much,
Jeanette.

Sister Elizabeth

Births Dec 1861
PHALEN Elizabeth Edmonton 3a 146

Hi Ozibird,
Thanks for replying, I did have Elizabeth,s birth reg even though the family name has been given as Phalen. As you can see the birth has been registered at Edmonton, which is one reason why I was not sure of the entry that Vivienne kindly found me, as this was registered at Stepney, although of course it is possible that the family might havemoved after Sarah,s birth. I will certainly check the Stepney entry out, thanks again for your help. Jeanette.

nudge,


Jeanette.

Not sure why you have nudged up the thread, did you check out the birth certs given??

Its always possible that her birth wasn't registered as ther were no penalties for non registration till 1875.

1861
Name: Sarah Phelan
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Patrick Phelan
Mother's Name: Esther Phelan
Gender: Female
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Enfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Enfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 800
Folio: 63
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Phelan 28
Esther Phelan 26
George Phelan 6
Mary Ann Phelan 4
Sarah Phelan 2
Mary Phelan 52
George Pitman 24
William Walker 22
Charles Helton 23

Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 800; Folio: 63; Page: 7; GSU roll: 542703.

Could you keep all your Phelan birth requests on one thread please.........

Hi Shirley,
thanks for replying. I,m sorry if nudging the thread up was the wrong thing to do, not very conversant with all the procedure.
I just wondered if you good people would have another look at this for me as I,ve never had any luck finding a berth reg. As you say perhaps she just was not registered, although this seems strange as her sister Elizabeth was registered in 1860.
Thanks for the 1861 census, this one is the last census that Patrick ever appears on although Esther does not refer to herself as a widow until 1891.
I certainly did check the birth certs which were given. Elizabeth was Sarah,s sister but the one for Stepney has the wrong father.
Thanks once again for your help.
Jeanette.

Hi Reggie,

Thanks for your reply, I,m sorry if I have not kept to the proper procedure. As I explained before I don,t use the boards often, so may well have used them incorrectly.
I will certainly keep all my requests for any certain family on one thread in future.
Jeanette.

Mary Ann Phalen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 Jan 1860 WALTHAM CROSS,?HERTFORD,?ENGLAND
residence: Hertford,? England
parents: Patrick Phalen,? Esther

George Patrick Phelen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 14 May 1855 SAINT MARTIN,?BIRMINGHAM,?WARWICK,?ENGLAND
residence: Warwick,? England

name: Rosina Phalin
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 20 May 1877
baptism/christening place: St. Marys, Birmingham, Warwick, England
birth date: 03 Mar 1877
father's name: George Phalin
mother's name: Esther

Rosina Ghalin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 03 Mar 1877
christening: 20 May 1877 St Marys,? Birmingham,? Warwick,? England
residence: 1877 Warwick,? England
parents: George Ghalin,? Esther

Are these yours??
And what is Esthers maiden name please.

?????
Marriages Dec 1854
Craddock Esther Birmingham 6d 115 <<<<<
Jewells Martha Birmingham 6d 115
Phelan Pann Birmingham 6d 115
Phelan Patt Birmingham 6d 115
Wedge William Birmingham 6d 115

Nice one Ozi....Good hunting... ;-)

Edits
Not a sight of birth refs for any but Elizabeth can I find so far.....Even with looking under possible Craddock surnames as well....


Does look as though they didnt bother with the majority of the childrens reg....Strange to do Elizabeths though...

Hi Fanny by gaslight, thanks for looking for me.
Yes the baptism records for Mary Ann, George Patrick and Rosina are all my Phelans. Although Mary Ann was baptised at Walthams Cross, she was born in Birmingham. I thought she may have been christened at the same time as other siblings, but can find no records to verify this. Sarah I can find neither baptism record or birth reg for her. I have copies of the baptism records for Mary ann at Waltham Cross, and George Patrick at St Martin,s, Birmingham and Rosina at St Mary,s Birmingham.
Ozibird, As you found, Esther,s maiden name was Craddock , that is their marriage Req. Patrick,s name being recorded as Patt.
On Rosina,s baptism record the father,s name is given as George but either this is another of Patrick,s christian names or they have mistakenly entered her brother Georg,s name.
Thanks a lot for all your help. i,ll just keep on looking for variations of both christian and surnames.
Jeanette

were the occupations of George & Patrick the same on those baptismal records?

Hi Lancashire Ann,

The occupations of George and Patrick on these baptismal records are all consistent with Patricks occupation which was in various catagories, all in the gun trade in Birmingham, i.e. Gunsight maker, gunsight filer, gun screwer etc.

Jeanette.

Just summarising baptisms/registrations for family, with possible registrations for the younger children:

Marriage 1854 B'ham
George bp 1855 B'ham
Mary Ann bp 1860 Waltham Cross (Herts)
Sarah??

(Possible baptism match to the Stepney registration for Sarah Phelan posted above may be different parents:

Sarah Dinah Phelan bp 2 Aug 1857 daughter of Thomas Phelan and Dinah Phelan
Mile End Old Town Holy Trinity)

Registrations?
Elizabeth Phalen Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Edmonton
John Phelan Apr-May-Jun 1866 Aston
Henry Falen Jan-Feb-Mar 1871 Birmingham

Rose/Rosina bp May 1877 Birmingham

[edit: I meant to post this on the thread for Rosina's birth registration, so I've reposted on there and deleted the irrelevant bits from here]