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Theresa
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9 Aug 2009 22:05 |
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Born c1859. Occupation Dairyman. Father of Frederick Charles who married Emily Hollands.
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AnnCardiff
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9 Aug 2009 22:08 |
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bit short on information here Theresa - do I take it that it's Job Charles you are looking for? where was he born?
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GlitterBaby
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9 Aug 2009 22:17 |
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Best match I have found so far for a marriage
Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOWLER Frederick Charles Uckfield 2b 169 Hoad Fanny Jane Uckfield 2b 169 Hollands Emily Ruth Uckfield 2b 169 WHITE William Uckfield 2b 169
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Julie
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9 Aug 2009 22:17 |
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this might be the marriage
Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%) FOWLER Frederick Charles Uckfield 2b 169 Hollands Emily Ruth Uckfield 2b 169
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AnnCardiff
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9 Aug 2009 22:20 |
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Job CHARLES Head M Male 30 Worthing, Sussex, England Agricultural Labourer Mary CHARLES Wife M Female 30 Hurst Pierrepoint, Sussex, England Caretaker Servt Ernest Job CHARLES Son Male 4 Cuckfield, Sussex, England George Henry CHARLES Son Male 18 m Cuckfield, Sussex, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Spring Brook Census Place Cuckfield, Sussex, England Family History Library Film 1341251 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1062 / 69 Page Number 4
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AnnCardiff
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9 Aug 2009 22:21 |
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JOB CHARLES Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 05 MAY 1851 Goring, Sussex, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM CHARLES Family Mother: ANN
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Catherine
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9 Aug 2009 22:21 |
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Possible ? Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%) COLYER Emily Dartford 2a 871 Hollands Emily Jane Dartford 2a 871 Hook Charles Dartford 2a 871 Thompson Frederick Charles Dartford 2a 871
and there is a Job Thompson born 1859:- Births Sep 1859 (>99%) Thompson Job Chorlton 8c 483 The district Chorlton is in the county of Lancashire
but then Job must have had his son when he was very young for him to marry in 1893 and Frederick would also have to have been very young when he also married, so ........?
We really need to know his surname here and maybe the date of the marriage?
EDIT:- pm Frederick Charles Thompson married Emily Jane Hollands on. 9th Sept 1893. Frederick was 20 and Emily was 22. The marriage took place at Dartford Registry Office. Job Thompson was listed as Frederick's father but was deceased. Both F and E were living in Dartford at the time of the marriage.
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Catherine
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11 Aug 2009 22:12 |
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So is this the couple in 1901 ?
Name: Frederick C Thompson Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily J Gender: Male Where born: Willesdon, London, England Civil parish: Dartford Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Dartford County/Island: Kent Country: England
Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer
Registration district: Dartford Sub-registration district: Dartford ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 218 Household Members: Name Age Frederick C Thompson 28 Emily J Thompson 29 born: Dartford, Kent Evelyn M Thompson 6 born: Dartford, Kent Frederick C Thompson 5 Percy W Thompson 3
so Frederick was born Willesden!
Births Mar 1873 (>99%) Thompson Frederick Charles Hendon 3a 140
Hendon was the registration district for Willesden until 1909! If you buy the cert. it will give you his parents names and mother's maiden name.
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Catherine
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11 Aug 2009 22:17 |
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This could very possible be Frederick in 1891 with his mother:-
Name: Fredk C Thompson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Willesden, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: (looks like) Milk Labourman
Condition as to marriage: Single Registration district: Paddington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Louisa Kirton 69 Sarah Thompson 60 (1831) - Lodger - born: Tunbridge, Kent (Widow) Caretaker Fredk C Thompson 18
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Catherine
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11 Aug 2009 22:27 |
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If Sarah is Frederick's mother, then there are several possible marriages for Job and Sarah, but only one in Middlesex:-
Marriages Mar 1858 (>99%) FRASER Mary St Martin in the F 1a 361 GOLDRING Thomas St Martin in the F 1a 361 Thompson Job St Martin in the F 1a 361 Wakefield Sarah St Martin in the Fields 1a 361
The district St Martin in the Fields is in the county of Middlesex
The birth cert. will confirm if this is correct!
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Catherine
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11 Aug 2009 22:35 |
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and this is very possibly Job and Sarah in 1871:-
Name: Sarah Thompson Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Job Gender: Female Where born: Tunbridge, Kent, England
Address: Chapman Cottages
Civil parish: Willesden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Willesden ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 373 Household Members: Name Age Job Thompson 32 (1839) - (although could be 52 (1819) ) born: Holbure, Buckinghamshire Occupation is noted as A G Labourer Sarah Thompson 40
note registration district is Hendon, sub reg. dist.: Willesden!
Recap:- 1871 the couple were living reg.dist. Hendon (Willieden) 1873 Frederick was born same district 1891 Sarah and Frederick were living reg.dist. Paddington so Job died some time between 1873 and 1891 possibly either reg.dist. Hendon or Paddington but both are Middlesex, (although could be anywhere).
Doing a phonetic sound search for a death for Job Thompson between 1873 and 1891 in Middlesex there are only two deaths that come up. This one:- Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%) THOMPSON Job 63 Pancras 1b 52 (making date of birth 1811)
and this one which I'm thinking is more likely as a death for Job:- Deaths Mar 1891 (>99%) Thompson Job 50 Paddington 1a 19 this will make his date of birth 1841which fits with 1871 census!
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Catherine
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12 Aug 2009 09:23 |
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Checking births for Job Thompson born between 1839 and 1841anywhere in the country only two show:- Births Mar 1839 (>99%) Thompson Job East Retford 15 494 The district East Retford is in the county of Nottinghamshire
and this one:- Births Jun 1840 (>99%) Thompson Job Wycombe 6 431 The district Wycombe spans the boundaries of the counties of Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire 1871 census gives Job's birth place as Buckinghamshire so this one is looking good!
Problem is I can't find any of them in 1881 census?
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Catherine
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12 Aug 2009 19:59 |
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for the benefit of other helpers, pm from Theresa:-
Hi, The info re Frederick and Emily for 190l matches exactly. Yes he was born in Willesden. They lived at 54 Darenth Road, St Ronans, Dartford. In the 1911 Census they were living at 18 Somerset Road, Dartford and they had another daughter called Hilda Doris age 9. In the Death Registry there was a Frederick Charles who died at the age of 57 in Dartford in 1927. Also Emily Jane aged 59 in Apr/May/June (2a 826).in 1931. Their son Frederick Charles died whiulst serving on ss Greyhound which was sunk off Crete during WW2. He was 45.. I also found an entry for Percy Wilfrid who died age 63 in Apr/May/June 1961 (5b 4528) in Dartford. From Theresa
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