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A year on and still none the wiser as to weather Ann/Ellen is the same person, the twins were born 1880 and the mothers name on the birth cert says Ellen and not Ann.
And still have not found out were the name Bryant comes in to it all.
Looks like i may have to dig out all of the paperwork and start back tracking to see if i have missed anything.

Sam

Hi

Nope we cannot work out if Ann is Ellen or if its the same family???I do believe Thomas William Vicary's mother was named Mary?

None of the census seem to match up for the twins, this has confused us some what

Sam

Well here are the vicary twins, but who is Ann? Is this Ellen

Ann VICARY Lodger (Head) M Female 22 Camberwell, Surrey, England Milliner
Francis VICARY (Son) Male 6 m Battersea, Surrey, England
Frances VICARY (Daur) Female 6 m Battersea, Surrey, England

Dwelling 6 Williams Place
Census Place Newington, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341126
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0554 / 28
Page Number 49

This is a possible marriage for the Vicary parents. Elizabeth says she was born Westminster and St Martin's in the Fields is in that area.

Marriages Jun 1857
Bex Frederick St Martin in the F 1a 596
Nicholls Elizabeth St Martin in the F 1a 596
POTTER Barbara St Martin in the F 1a 596
Vicary Thomas William St Martin in the F 1a 596

However we haven't found how the name Bryant is in the family.

Also on the 1881 Elizabeth is down as married, not widowed.

n

This is Thomas J Vicary with siblings and mother, his wife was Ellen Jane Taylor but we do not know where she was at this time.
I think his father has already passed away by this time.

Samantha

Is this a possibility? But where is his wife?

Household Record 1881 British Census

Elizabeth VICARY Wife (Head) M Female 47 Westminster, Middlesex, England Dressmaker
Thomas J. VICARY Son M Male 22 Stepney, Middlesex, England Printer Compositor
Alfred A. VICARY Son U Male 21 Stepney, Middlesex, England Printer Compositor
Charles VICARY Son U Male 16 Stepney, Middlesex, England Brass Finisher
Arthur E. VICARY Son U Male 15 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Unemployd
Martha VICARY Sister U Female 41 Westminster, Middlesex, England Unemployd Ladies Maid

Dwelling 3 Townsend St
Census Place Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341117
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0524 / 28

Hi Selena

His father was also a Thomas Vicary
and i dont have anything after him, proving a little difficult

Samantha

Have you traced Thomas John Vicary? Who was his father?

Ok, so we now know where Warren comes from as it was the mothers maiden name and Edwina was a name that was in the family alot, but i still havent as yet managed to discover where the name Bryant came from.

Samantha

OMG
Using the site listed above i have managed to get back to 1735 loads of filling in on the tree now,
Thanks

Samantha

Wow
Look at all this information, got loads of searching to do now to feel some missing gaps

Samantha

There was a Sarah Coward down as nurse in the 1861 census for Edwin and Charlotte's household, and the name Frances Coward in 1818. Presumably not coincidence.

A Sibling of Charlottes.....could be part of where Edwina's name was from... Edwin/Rowena

Rowena Mary Warren - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 MAR 1820 Holy Trinity, Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
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If it is the right family it's worth a look on www.familysearch.org

This info is only a maybe...... you can confirm then/ if you get certificates

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Charlottes birth

Charlotte Warren Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 JUL 1818 Holy Trinity, Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Robert Warren Family
Mother: Frances
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Charlottes Parents marriage


ROBERT WARREN Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: FRANCES COWARD Family
Marriage: 29 JAN 1818 Holy Trinity, Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

mgnv

Good tutorial. Just had a go - thankyou.

Barry

Thanks for the help everyone - definitely makes things a bit clearer.

1871......Edwin still down as Cabinet Maker

Edwin Taylor
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Taylor 44
Charlotte Taylor 44
Frederic Taylor 21
Emma Taylor 17
Ellen Taylor 15
Frances Taylor 13
Edward Taylor 12
Mary Taylor 10
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This is the 1881 & Charlotte was Widowed by then, but she is in London

Charlotte Taylor
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Market Place
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick C. Taylor 28
Charlotte Taylor 48
Edwina Taylor 18
Frank Taylor 7
Frederick Walsey 45

Although no one has said, what folk are doing is looking up the GRO index at:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

It's real easy when you know the answer, so lets look for Edwin Taylor marrying a Charlotte. We might play safer be checking phonetic sunames (in case it's down as Tailor) and also Charlot*, since this has variable spellings. We get 2 hits in Devon, one in Wolverhampton and one in Shaftesbury, where the census was:

Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
Taylor Edwin Shaftesbury 8 173

If we click on "Shaftesbury", then the more info "here" link, it tells us all the villages, etc in Shaftesbury Registration District.

If we click on the page # "173", it shows us all the people with certificates on the same page as Edwin. This obviously includes his bride, but we don't necessarily know who this is. However, we're lucky this time, and there's only one Charlotte, so it'll be her

Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
BRICKELL William Shaftesbury 8 173
Hatcher Elizabeth Shaftesbury 8 173
Huse James Shaftesbury 8 173
Peters Elizabeth Shaftesbury 8 173
>>Taylor Edwin Shaftesbury 8 173
>>WARREN Charlotte Shaftesbury 8 173

Armed with the info here (year, quarter, Rego D, vol=8 p=173) we can order the cert from the GRO for 7 GBP. Without that info, it costs 10 GBP, and that's assuming you got stuff pretty close.

Barry



5a is the volume number and 230 is the page number

This refers to the record book held at the General Register Office ....... commonly referred to as GRO.

You need those numbers when you order a certificate from GRO



sylvia