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born 1832 married to Elizabeth born 1837 (from Cleves, Germany). Looking for possible son Moses born 1852.?
My g.grandfather & g.g. grandfather.

can we have a surname and an area?

His name was Moses Pacey. The area would be London (Soho) or Hampshire (alton)

1861? Right area, wrong name for wife, and no Moses jnr.

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PACEY, Moses Head Married M 29 1832 ...To A Brewer
Alton
Hampshire
PACEY, Phebe Wife Married F 29 1832
Alton
Hampshire
PACEY, Ann Daughter F 8 1853
St Giles
Middlesex
PACEY, Phoebe Daughter F 5 1856
St Giles
Middlesex
PACEY, Robert Son M 2 1859
St Giles
Middlesex
PACEY, Fanny Daughter F 0 (2M) 1861
St Giles
Middlesex

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
169 Folio:
114 Page:
1

Registration District:
St Giles Sub District:
2 St Giles South EnumerationDistrict:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
London

Civil Parish:
St Giles Municipal Borough:
Address:
176, Drury Lane, St Giles, London County:
London, Middlesex

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Deaths Jun 1868 (>99%)
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Pacey Pheobe 39 St Giles 1b 323



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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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FORTESCUE Hannah Westminster, St. J. 1a 545
>>>>PACEY Moses Westminister St.J. 1a 545
>>>>Spiers Elizabeth Westminster St J 1a 545
Young William David St Geo Han Sq 1a 545

1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Pacey
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Moses
Gender: Female
Where born: Clve, Germany

Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 19 Mercer St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Brewers Wife

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Moses Pacey 43
Elizabeth Pacey 44
Henry Spicers 21
Charlie Spicers 15
Johanna Spicers 13
Francis Pacey 13
Mary Pacey 7
Mary Faulker 42

The Spicer children would seem to be children of Elizabeth's first marriage

His first marriage.


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Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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Andrews Eliza Alton 2c 263
>>>>Harress Phoebe Alton 2c 263
>>>>Pacey Moses Alton 2c 263
SMITH George Alton 2c 263

not the right area though

Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Pacey Moses Lincoln 7a 442

Choccy, I am looking for the children of Moses Pacey b.1831 E. Worldham, Hampshire & Phoebe Harress b. 1829 m.1852.first marriage. I think they may have moved to Lincolnshire but am confused as I thought they were :-
Ann, Phoebe,William, Miriam & Thomas and possibly another Moses, however, I have been given some different names by another researcher :- Ann, Phoebe, Robert, Mary, Fanny, Ruth & Francis. Thank you for your previous input (4/6/2009) and if you have time, would you be kind enough to help me again.
Thank you, Pat

This is the only one on BVRI:

PACEY, Ann Elizabeth Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Mar 1853 Recorded in: East Worldham, Hampshire, England
Father: Moses PACEY
Mother: Phobe
Source: FHL Film 1041225 Dates: 1851 - 1876

1861 census
176 Drury Lane, St. Giles, Finsbury, London
Moses Pacey, head, 29, servant to a brewer, born Hampshire, Alton
Phebe, wife, 29, born "
Ann, dau, 8, born "
Phebe, dau, 5, born Middlesex, St. Giles
Robert, son, 2, born "
Fanny, dau, 2 months, born "

1871 census
19 Letchfield St., St. Ann, Westminster
Moses Pacey, head, 39, labourer, born Hants, Alton
Elizabeth, wife, 24, born Germany
Henry, son, 11, born Middlesex, St. Ann
Charles, son, 5, born "
Frank?, son, 3, born "
Helener?, dau, 2, born "
Henry Milder?, boarder, 3, born "

There's another Moses on the 71 census. he was aged 20, born Bardney, Lincolnshire, a police constable in Caistor.

I would say this is Moses the police constable:
1861 census
Marsh Rd. to Sea, North Somercotes, Lincolnshire
William Pacey, head, 38, engine driver, born Bardney, Lincs
Elizabeth, wife, 40, born "
***Moses, son, 8, born '
Aron, son, 6, born "
Paul, son, 3, born Burbrook, Lincs
Betsy, dau, 5 month, born Nth. Somercotes

I would think that this Moses is your gt. grandfather and he was a son of William not Moses.

This is the only birth of a Moses Pacey on FreeBMD:

Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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PACEY Moses Lincoln 7a 442

And possible marriage of his parents:

Marriages Jun 1845 (>99%)
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Norris Elizabeth Lincoln 14 767
Pacey William Lincoln 14 767

Margaret, did you get my reply ? ... if not maybe I should have clicked 'Post'
anyway in case you did'nt, (I have the marriage certificate of Moses & Elizabeth (2nd marriage) - I think my info. was wrong on the Lincolnshire area and am now double checking the children of the first marriage.
Thank you for your help, kind regards Pat

No, I didn't get your reply, Patricia.
I'm a little confused. Do you know that your gt. grandfather Moses was the son of Moses? Do you have his birth certificate? As I said the only one on FreeBMD is the one in Lincoln.

thanks for your research but Moses b.1831 my gt. Grandfather has William b.1792 as his father. I was hoping to find that Moses senior had a son also called Moses but I now think that the Moses from Lincs. is not him. I also can't find another. Regards Pat

Well, I'm finding this quite confusing.

Patricia, can you tell us how you know Moses 1831 was your gr-grfather?

You're not being forthcoming enough with facts for people to help. Nobody likes going off chasing red herrings and then prying the info out in bits and pieces.

Who was the child of Moses 1831 who was your ancestor, for starters?

Or really, I guess, if it's Moses c1852 who was your ancestor, who was his child who was your ancestor?

You say:

"thanks for your research but Moses b.1831 my gt. Grandfather has William b.1792 as his father."

He has him as his father on his marriage certificate? How do you know William's year of birth?

But Patricia, this is your original post saying that your gt. grandfather was born 1852:

Moses Pacey
born 1832 married to Elizabeth born 1837 (from Cleves, Germany). Looking for possible son Moses born 1852.?
My g.grandfather & g.g. grandfather.

Five hours ago, you said:

"I am looking for the children of Moses Pacey b.1831 E. Worldham, Hampshire & Phoebe Harress b. 1829 m.1852.first marriage."

Well, Sue C posted them on 4 June 2009, surely:


PACEY, Moses Head Married M 29 1832 Alton Hampshire
PACEY, Phebe Wife Married F 29 1832 Alton Hampshire
PACEY, Ann Daughter F 8 1853 St Giles Middlesex
PACEY, Phoebe Daughter F 5 1856 St Giles Middlesex
PACEY, Robert Son M 2 1859 St Giles Middlesex
PACEY, Fanny Daughter F 0 (2M) 1861 St Giles Middlesex