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So here is Ellen's family in 1881 in Birmingham:

William Day 43 - cab proprietor
Martha Day 50
Ellen Day 6
Emily Hales 25 - lodger


And in 1881:

Martha Day 63 - widow, milk [seller?]
Ellen Day 16 - tailoress
Thomas Flower 23 - boarder
John Hall 24 - boarder

Ellen in 1891 in Birmingham, Smethwick


Name: Ellen Day
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Birmingham

Occupation: Tailoress


So if her birth surname was Ellen Day, the info on the Frederick Day death record wouldn't match -- unless he made up a father, as was not unusual.

well ive spent god nows how long trying to get into 1911 census and according to that my farther doesnt exist? ive entered all the info off his birth cert and it keeps telling me there are no entries for this person>

I know I had absolutely no luck either with any of them, and I tried and tried.

There are definitely mistranscriptions in the 1911, and that is one possibiity.

I might start by getting whatever certificates seem likely or even possible, and trying to sort out the 1901 household members and their relationships, and what names they might have been likely to be going by.

it is so frustrating when you enter details that you no are 100% true and then it comes back not known? makes me wonder how much off the past is right?? lol xx