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Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
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Shea Jack Joseph Lambeth 1d 325

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Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
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Shea Jack Stoke T. 6b 260


just a possability 2 jacks born to mother Shea.I wonder if she had jack when she was single ,Here's her first marriage

Marriages Jun 1914 (>99%)
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Shea Gertrude M A Sowden Middlesbro 9d 1300
Sowden James S Shea Middlesbro 9d 1300


The district Middlesbro is an alternative name for Middlesbrough and it is in the county of North Riding of Yorkshire;

I been trawling the birth records this morning, been up for hours!!!

I went back to 1910 when gertrude would have been 16 so looked for Shea nothing as far as i could see.

Then tried Sowden after she married in 1914 and found i possible child
Fredrick b. 1915 ( mother's name Shea). I had though that maybe 1911 census may show where she was living around that time, what do you think?

Hi Sablon. you probably don't remember me but you were very helpful in searching for 2 of my mum's brothers (May 25th) Well just to let you know that i have recieved the birth certificate from the info you found and it is indeed the right Terence Hogan. So a big thank you. I still can find no trace of "Jackie" Hogan but did look for a child from her previous marriage as you suggested and found a Federick Sowden as to whether this is Jackie i'm afraid i'll never know. i have great respect for you and others who can do this so easily. I think i've come to a dead end now as i can't find a birth record for my grandfather.

So thank you for all your help it was very much appeciated . Sue

susan ,why not get the marriage cert/this will give johns age and place of birth and fathers name
sorry ,you have that one. don't you?

Hi Sablon thanks for your reply and advice, i'm finding my way around slowly!!! I have John Hogans marriage certificate and it only gives his age and father's name no place of birth unfortunatly. His place of birth would open so many doors but there is no way of finding out i'm afraid. Doing this has made me realise how important it is to keep any old papers, documents photos etc and to talk to other family members about your life.
Regards Sue.

Hi again, marriage certificate says bachelor and nothing on his death certificate i'm afraid. Thanks for trying Sue.

possible births for John in yorkshire.i don't know how you will sought this out not knowing where he was born,Maybe there is a church record somewhere in middlesbro that would have the birth place,if they were married in church,

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Hogan John Ecclessal B. 9c 377

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Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Hogan John William Holbeck 9b 323

from sue

On his marriage certificate april 1918 its says 29 yrs old and on his death certificate Jan 1958 it says 68 yrs old so i am going on 1889/90 more on the 1889.

am going to be away from the computer for about 30 mins so please don't think i'm ignoring you


Sue

these are anywhere else

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Hogan John St. Saviour 1d 48


Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Hogan John W. Derby 8b 379
Hogan John Prescot 8b 732

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Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Hogan John Lambeth 1d 346



Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Hogan John Liverpool 8b 110

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Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Hogan John Ecclessal B. 9c 377




Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Hogan John Merthyr T. 11a 542
Hogan John Whitehaven 10b 632

susan you said you know john was born in Ireland but it is not on marriage cert

I've always assumed he was born in Ireland beacause i remember my mum saying he was irish, and vaguely recall her saying something about him coming over on the "tatty boat" ?

susan what was his fathers name??

on the marriage certificate it shows his father's name as Daniel Hogan, Coal miner.

Johns address at time of marriage was 32 West St Middlesbrough

i don't know if this is Daniel,but it is a start

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Dominic DALEY Head M Male 30 Sunderland, Durham, England Ironworker
Annie DALEY Wife M Female 27 Wiggan, Lancashire, England
James DALEY Brother U Male 22 Spenymoor, Durham, England Ironworker
Daniel HOGAN Brother In Law U Male 21 Castle Eden Collery, Durham, England Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling 9 Church St
Census Place Whitworth, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342183
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4922 / 55
Page Number 43
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Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Daniel HOGAN Head M Male 36 Ireland Labourer
Ellen HOGAN Wife M Female 33 England
Margaret E. HOGAN Daur U Female 7 England School
Wm. HOGAN Son U Male 6 England School
Jas. HOGAN Son U Male 4 England School
Catherine HOGAN Daur U Female 1 England School
Thos. JOHNSON Fat In Law M Male 60 Ireland Labourer
Catherine JOHNSON Mot In Law M Female 60 Ireland


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Source Information:
Dwelling 20 Jackson Pit
Census Place Oldham, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341972
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4065 / 63
Page Number 19



John hogan could be with this family in 1891 census aged 1/2/years old
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Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Eliza HOGAN Head W Female 59 Ireland
Daniel HOGAN Son U Male 21 Bowes, York, England Coal Miner
Martha BENSON Daur M Female 27 Bradford, York, England
Daniel BENSON Grandson U Male 6 Cornsay, Durham, England Scholar
John Thomas BENSON Son U Male 4 Cornsay, Durham, England
Elizabeth BENSON Daur Female 3 Cornsay, Durham, England
Mary BENSON Daur Female 7 m Hamsteels, Durham, England
Edward CUMFORD Boarder U Male 20 Lanchester, Durham, England Coal Miner
James MCCANN Boarder U Male 25 Kildaw, Durham, England Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling Railway Terrace Esh
Census Place Esh, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342189
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4946 / 147
Page Number 118

this looks like the marriage to census just as i hoped annie Hogan sister to daniel

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
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DALEY Dominic Durham 10a 445
HOGAN Ann Durham 10a 445


The district Durham is in the county of Co. Durham



Births Dec 1852 (>99%)
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Hogan Ann Wigan 8c 17


The district Wigan spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater Manchester and Lancashire

this is a possible marriage for Daniel

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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GILDROY Hannah Durham 10a 518
Hogan Daniel Durham 10a 518
WEST John Durham 10a 518
WILKINSON Sarah Durham 10a 518

1911 census shows john in


HOUSEHOLD HOGAN JOHN M 1890 21 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding

1911 for daniel

HOUSEHOLD HOGAN DANIEL M 1861 50 Bury Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD HOGAN DANIEL M 1860 51 Burnley Lancashire

maybe someone could find Daniel Hogan c1860 coal miner married to one of the women Hannah or Sarah in 1901 census co durham
and see if they had a son John Hogan c1889 he would be 10-12 yrs old
they could have moved to middlesbro after marriage


possible son

Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Hogan John Thomas Middlesbro' 9d 585

Wow thank you so much , i've written it all down and now going to go through it slowly. Maybe he wasn't born in Ireland, or it could be he came over as a young child. Will definatly let you know what i find.

You are a star, i've taken up so much of your time today but its all very much appreciated. Sue.

this could be gertrude in 1911 census

HOUSEHOLD SHEA GERTRUDE F 1891 20 Chorlton Lancashire