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Just to let you know I have just ordered Jane's death certificate. I don't suppose it will add any useful info but any concrete evidence for this family is welcome! Thanks for finding the ref. for me Michelle. Jayne

sorry, I missed the later postings. Choccy I don't think either of these marriage are my Thomas Troke. Most of his male rellies seemed to work in the tin industry and there are several Thomases in the family. Thomas was definitely with a Jane in 1871 and that is the name on the childrens' birth certificates - the problem is that on each of the 3 certificates her name is different, DIXON, DICKSON and DICKINSON. Without her father's name I have no idea how to progress with her ancestors. Jayne

I have to pop out and do domestic things for a while but an ENORMOUS THANK YOU to everyone who took the time to help me and especially to RamblingRose who went way beyond just helpfulness. THANK YOU. Jayne

I have to pop out to the shops now but would like to say an ENORMOUS thank you to all of you who helped but especially to RamblingRose who went way beyond helpfulness. THANK YOU. Jayne

Have found this Thomas Troke (mis-transcribed as Feke). He is the one who married Eliza Voisey in 1852.

1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Feke
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Feke 26
Mary Voisey 57 (mother in law)
Elly Voisey 16 (sister in law)
John Voisey 13 (nephew)
John Crocker 40 (boarder)
Matilda Crocker 4 (visitor)
Timothy Soler 65 (lodger)
Margaret Soler 56 (lodger's wife)
Eliza Soler 20 (lodger's daughter)
Francis Soler 19 (lodger's son)

No sign of Thomas's wife, but is stated to be married.

His occupation is a Tinsmith employing 1 man and 2 boys.

Hi Rambling Rose

Thought it was...just found the Alfred 1883 in 1911 is born in France.Glad she now has something to work on.

Michelle

Just to let you know I have sent image of 1911 census to Jayne it IS the right one :)

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Think it could be your Jane in Southwark cos there is also an Alfred Troke in Southwark with correct birthyear.Looks like living in same household.

Might be an idea to get some credits and have a look.

Are either of these marriages anything to do with your Thomas?

Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Jacobs Sarah Exeter 5b 217
Pannell William Exeter 5b 217
**********Troke Thomas Exeter 5b 217
Voisey Eliza Exeter 5b 217

or

Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
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Channings Elizabeth Exeter 5b 140
Garrish James Exeter 5b 140
Henson Sarah Exeter 5b 140
**********Troke Thomas Exeter 5b 140

The 1911 Jane is Southwark and this looks like her death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Jane Troke
Name: Jane Troke
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 70
District: Southwark(1901 Onw)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 88 (click to see others on page

Jayne have PMd you...

Hi Rose, where was the possible Jane in 1911. It seems to me that she could have been anywhere in the UK given their travelling record. If there is one faintly possible I will buy some credits and spend a wet saturday afternoon catching up on some of my other family puzzles

Maybe Rose but I can't find one marriage for Thomas let alone 2! But I suppose it would explain the gap between George and Alfred and there's nothing to suggest that he'd marry the second Jane as he apparently didn't marry the first.
I think he was a bit of a rogue, I have been told 3rd hand that he and the family aren't on the 1881 census because they went to Buenos Aires to escape debt!!! But I have no way of confirming this. I was in correspondence with a lady who contacted me because we were researching the same Troke family. She was do research on behalf of the granddaughter of one of Thomas's daughters but either the researcher was unwilling to put me in touch or this lady declined contact. This was rather upsetting as I know none of my Troke family - my parents divorced when I was a baby and I never knew my father.
The whole business of the Troke family seems shrouded in secretcy and mystery!

There are only 3 jane trokes on 1911 and only one is likely re DOB...but not location

Jayne, re marrying two Janes being unlikely...well, no lol..I had a heck of a time with my gt gt grandfather's wife Annie ( I knew she was Annie before researching...and couldn't work out how she could still be on a census after she died! He married within the year of her death, another Annie...so may be worth thinking about

Just another problem on this elusive Jane - I can't find her death either! She was still alive in 1901 but I haven't bought credits for the 1911 census yet. I believe Thomas died 1909 and awaiting the cert. from GRO

My thinking on a marriage before 1861 is - that as there are 3 children close together born c. 1866, 68 and 70 they were obviously rather fertile so there would have be 2 or 3 more children prior to those three.
This brings me to another puzzle - the 12 year gap between George and my grandfather ALFRED GARNET TROKE born in Paris.

I.m wondering if this child is actually the son of the eldest daughter Coroline Lucy and was brought up as the son of Thomas and Jane. As he was born is Paris it would have been easy to bring him back to this country as theirs'. This would account for Jane "loosing" 10 years off her age in subsequent censuses.

Of course another possibility is that he actually married 2 different Janes! but I think this is unlikely don't you?

my thinking on that was it might help to find him if he was mistranscribed on 1861, to see if he was married by then...but can't find him... have tried obvious mistranscriptions of name if anyone can think of something else?

Hi RamblinRose, in 1891 andi1901 he was a gas meter maker, in 1871 he was a tinplate worker in 1851 he was a tinman (sound like something from the Wizard of Oz!)

what was Thomas's proffession ?