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hi janice sorry taken so long to get back dogs out for walk.
mary jane was born 4/11/1864 died 21/6/1941 married 27/5/1880 got all 3 certificates been told they could marry at 14.
william,s father was edward henry smallbone born hampshire died tottenham1891 have his death and marriage certificate.
mary janes was henry barnes born liverpool 1833 died liverpool 1865 him and charlotte mary janes mother where only married just over a year
regards merseylass

wilma janice can,t believe you have found them have heard about the lindseys a little while ago but it was the first i,d heard of them again many many thanks

http://fmpbsol.1911census.co.uk/
free to search but you need credits to open census page . I put Smallbone in surname and Ethel in others in household after i had found this below but it does'nt give her living with any other Smallbone so may be by herself or something like a servant so wouldn't show who she is with
HOUSEHOLD SMALLBONE ETHEL F 1894 17 West Derby Lancashire



Thanks for transcript Wilma

1911 census


LINDSAY, SARAH HEAD WIFE MARRIED 13 F 32 PRIVATE MEANS LIVERPOOL ENG
LINDSAY, DAVID SON M 12 SCHOOL LIVERPOOL ENG
LINDSAY, MINNIE VICTORIA DAUGHTER F 9 SCHOOL LIVERPOOL ENG
LINDSAY, LILIAN MAY DAUGHTER F 6 SCHOOL LIVERPOOL ENG
LINDSAY, EDITH FLORENCE DAUGHTER F 4 LIVERPOOL ENG
SMALLBONE, ETHEL SERVANT COUSIN SINGLE F 17 LIVERPOOL ENG
BARNES, CHARLOTTE AUNT WIDOW F 77 OLD AGE PENSIONER HILL YORKSHIRE

Address 27 SHERDLEY ST LIVERPOOL County Lancashire
District West Derby Subdistrict West Derby Western
Enumeration District 35 Parish West Derby

Hi janice no i have no 1911 info on either ethel or mary jane pictures of ethel none of mary jane she died in the house in 1941 that i was born in in 1942. regards mersey lass

do you have 1911 info?

janice thanks yes that is mary jane when she married william and the child is my grandmother, but ethel remains a mystery
many thanks carole

hi wilma mary janes husband was born in tottenham london he married mary jane in liverpool but they parted company in 1889 as i said it,s going to have to remain a mystery many thanks for your help.
merseylass

1881 ref about Mary Jane
Name: Mary Jane Smallbone
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wm. Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Wm. Henry Smallbone 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
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Ballz Smallbone ---------------5 days (? birth index Births Jun 1881
SMALLBONE Annie W. Derby 8b 547 )

Jane Haws 73 ------grandmother

Just out of interest, what happened to her husband William?

Did he come from Liverpool? Maybe they were visiting someone and got registered under that name. It seemed to happen a lot.

Sorry I couldn't get anywhere.

i,ve come to the conclusion that mary jane never bothered registering in 1901 census, as edward smallbone was like we said living with his grandmother and her eldest son herbert was living with his fathers sister in tottenham London.
Got ethels death certificate and photo,s of her with my grandmother annie melia and she,s buried ethel with her mother in liverpool.
mary jayne died 1941 in st.helens lancs and ethel in 1957 liverpool but what happened to ethel in the years before i think is going to remain a mystery.
thanks for your help anyway wilma
regards merseylass

Its not helping though!!

Yes wilma thar is mary janes and williams marriage
regards carole

Still looking, but assume this is the marriage

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
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Barnes Mary Jane W. Derby 8b 470

Smallbone William Henry W. Derby 8b 470

Hi Wilma you are on the right track edward was ethels, half brother Charlotte Barnes was ethels grandmother and the annie melia was ethels half sister, i just can,t find ethel or her mother mary jane.
regards merseylass

Haven't found Ethel, but this might be her brother Edward living with grandparent Charlotte Barnes.

Still looking for Ethel ...

1901 England Census
Name: Edward J Smallbone
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 64
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Barnes 60
Annie Melia 20
William Melia 3
Jessie Melia 1
Edward J Smallbone 15
Thomas Marshall 35
John Sagar 44
Gordon Buglas 28
Robert Moore 40
Manfred Holmes 40
John T Buckley 39
Isabella Thompson 24
Robert Spence 22

I am trying to find a Ethel Georgina Smallbone born 1894 West Derby Liverool. On ethel,s birth certificate she is down as ethel georgina palmer martindale, her mother was mary jane other surnames she has are martindale, smallbone maiden name barnes. Ethel at a later date was called ethel smallbone her mothers married name.
regards merseylass