Find Ancestors

Desperate to find any info on Annie Moffatt Morton born supposedly in Dunedin NZ in 1873 and dying in NSW Australia in 1949. Supposedly married to one Willoughyby Harcourt Carter in 1890 when she was 17 and would have needed parental approval. Please please if anyone can help I would be so grateful.

Well, she definitely died in NSW in 1949.

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

15814/1949
CARTER ANNIE MOFFATT
(father's given name) 76 YRS
mother's given name GRACE
district PADDINGTON

If the person who registered her death knew her personal details, there should be some info on her death certificate. Apparently they did not know a lot -- or she was born to an unmarried Grace Morton. It would be worth getting the certificate or a transcript (e.g. from Joy Murrin) to see what it says.

Or perhaps that's where you got the info in your post. ;)

Go to

http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/Home/

Birth registered twice, once in 1870 and again in 1871

Death in NSW:

15814/1949
CARTER ANNIE MOFFATT
76 YRS
Mother: GRACE
District: PADDINGTON

That's a pretty distinctive name Mr. Carter has, I must say.

In the English GRO there are only:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Mar 1853
CARTER Willoughby Harcourt Stoke Damerel 5b 524

Births Dec 1853
CARTER Willoughby Harcourt Salford 8d 83

Deaths Dec 1853
Carter Willoughby Harcourt Bath 5c 425

Deaths Dec 1900
Carter Willoughby Harcourt 79 Elham 2a 590


Googling

"willoughby harcourt" carter


http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bch/docs/bconstab.html

"In 1856 the Government passed an Act making it compulsory to establish a paid police force in the country. On the 6th February 1857 the Buckinghamshire Constabulary was established. Thirty-two candidates applied for the post of Chief Constable and at the Epiphany Sessions held on the 6th February, Captain Willoughby Harcourt Carter was appointed as the first Chief Constable of this Force."


Aha. You need someone with Australian Ancestry access, or Australian electoral roll access otherwise:

http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?&gsfn=Williouby+Harcourt&gsln=Carter&db=auselectoralrolls&&gss=SEO&hc=20

"All Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936 results for Williouby Harcourt Carter"
(note the misspelling)

Williouby Harcourt Carter
gender
1903
Victoria Balaclava city

and several other years where the name is spelled correctly -- and there are numerous other Harcourt Carters.

The details of those records might reveal Annie?

Lew! Thanks for the NZ site - I didn't know there was one. ;)

You got those electoral roll thingies?

No, EB, but I'll have a hunt around and see if I can find one :-)

There's this at Ancestry Australia too:

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Immigration & Emigration
Name: W Harcourt Carter
Departure: location
Arrival: date - Sydney, New South Wales

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936
about Williouby Harcourt Carter
Name: Williouby Harcourt Carter
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1903
State: Victoria
District: Balaclava
Subdistrict: Armadale
Also >>> Annie at some address

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
about W Harcourt Carter
Name: W Harcourt Carter
Port of Departure: London Via Adelaide and Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1878
Vessel Name: Garonne

Willoughby's death:

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985


Query
-----
Surname : carter (2221 matches)
Given Names : willoughby (57 matches)

Total matching records: 1
--------------------

Surname: CARTER
Given Names: Willoughby Harcourt
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place: MELB E
Age: 78
Age Code:
Year: 1930
Reg Number: 2230
Event: D

Making his birth year around 1852, so the one you found in Salford would fit EB

It's almost 24 hours since the question - maybe Kay will return at same time, next day. ;)

Aha, crossed in the post!

Yeah, I just thought, with a name like that, it was worth a quick check around. ;)


1861 English census:

Name: Willoughby H Carter
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Willoughby H
Mother's Name: Eliza
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire

Willoughby H Carter 39
Eliza Carter 30
Willoughby H Carter 7
Edith Frances Carter 6
Duncan C Carter 4
Florence A G Carter 6 Mo
Thomas Frost 24 - groom
Henry Toovey 19 - footman
Agnes Underwood 31 - nurse
Mary Milne 28 - cook
Frances Magney Johnson 30 - housemaid
Eliza Colman 15 - nursery maid


WHC Sr's occupation was:

Chief Constable of Bucks late [i.e. formerly] Captn in the Army

-- so he was the one in the item I posted above.

1861 England Census
about Willoughby H Carter
Name: Willoughby H Carter
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: India British Subject

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Aylesbury St Mary
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 136
Household Members:
Name Age
Willoughby H Carter 39
Eliza Carter 30
Willoughby H Carter 7
Edith Frances Carter 6
Duncan C Carter 4
Florence A G Carter 6 Mo
Thomas Frost 24
Henry Toovey 19
Agnes Underwood 31
Mary Milne 28
Frances Magney Johnson 30
Eliza Colman 15

In 1856 the Government passed an Act making it compulsory to establish a paid police force in the country. On the 6th February 1857 the Buckinghamshire Constabulary was established. Thirty-two candidates applied for the post of Chief Constable and at the Epiphany Sessions held on the 6th February, Captain Willoughby Harcourt Carter was appointed as the first Chief Constable of this Force. The Force was to see another four Chief Constables before it amalgamated with Oxford City Police, Oxfordshire Constabulary, Berkshire Constabulary and the Reading Borough Police on the 1st April 1968 forming the Thames Valley Constabulary later re-named the Thames Valley Police.

Hmmm, this is interesting:

NEW ZEALANDERS WHO MARRIED IN VICTORIA AUSTRALIA
1910

MORTON Annie Moffat
YOUNGER Arth Jno

Seeing I found 2 birth registrations in NZ, I wonder if we have 2 Annies??

Yep, there's more than one

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985


Query
-----
Surname : younger (78 matches)
Given Names : ann* (65960 matches)

Total matching records: 2
--------------------

Surname: YOUNGER
Given Names: Annie
Father: Johnson Edward
Mother: Alice TURNER
Death Place: MONT
Age: 88
Age Code:
Year: 1966
Reg Number: 262
Event: D

Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1896

This database is a searchable list of passengers travelling on ships leaving Victoria.
Name Age Ship Leaving Going to
MORTON ANNIE 3 OTAGO DEC 1874 NEW ZEALAND

Aha! I'm off to watch bad TV, and will leave you with the conundrum you have created for yourself. ;)

Rotter! What's even worse is that I can find a marriage for Annie, but Willoughby appears to have had several, grrrrrr

Looks like Willoughby Jnr wasn't as honest as his father

ROCKHAMPTON, October 22 1882

Willoughby Harcourt Carter, late clerk for
Wright, Heaton, and Co., at Bogantungan, has
been remanded to that place on a charge of
embezzling a cheque for £315.:

ROCKHAMPTON. November 27 1882

The criminal sittings of the Central District
Court commenced to-day before Judge Miller,
Mr. Real being Crown Prosecutor. Willoughby Harcourt Carter pleaded
guilty to having embezzled a cheque for Pounds 30
16s., and was sentenced to eighteen months'
imprisonment.