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i am so stuck its doing my head in. in my tree i have alfred moore b1845 halesowen married to ellen cross b1848 halesowen. i can not for the life of me find a marriage for them and i can't find their parents. see i got a family tree sheet i want to fill in as a gift to my mother and these two are the only two who i cant find the parents for. in some census's it says alfred was from halesowen, one says stafford, one says worcester. the 1911 says halesowen so does the 1871 in 1871 they are in riley regis then after that they are in stockton. they have children called walter, joseph, jane, john, emily, fanny, and samuel. in the 1871 census their child is william but i have since found out that he is william walter. it looks like he uses the name walter on rest of census,s. please if anyone can find either a marriage for me so i can get the cert or just find out who their parents were i would be over the moon. best wishes helen

Name: Alfred Moore
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 446

This is the closest I've got with a marriage. Perhaps they never did marry?

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROSS Ellen BUTLER Alfred M Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/024/271

Birth for Ellen.

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
CROSS Ellen Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/008/171

victoria, thankyou for that, is the 18 and the 446 a gro number thing i will need?

alviegal, ya know i never thought that they never married lol. naughty people haha. for ellens birth did you notice what quarter it was as i know i will need that. dont worry if you didnt i can look for it with the info you have given me. thank you so much for that, bless ya x

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ELLEN CROSS Pedigree
Female Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: ALFRED MOORE BUTLER Family
Marriage: 20 MAY 1866 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M040142 1851 - 1854 0378778 Film 6901192




June x

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
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BUTLER Alfred M Dudley 6c 109
Cross Ellen Dudley 6c 109



June x

GRO index of marriage

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)

BUTLER Alfred M Dudley 6c 109
Cross Ellen Dudley 6c 109

june, lmao i did see the word butler but i thought that was an occupation. jeeze. so is his name moore butler or is butler the name of his mother? im confused now, trust me it dont take much to confuse me lol

Does this mean anything do you think?

1891 England Census
Name: Alfred Moore
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Stockton On Tees
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Stockton On Tees
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stockton
Sub registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Moore 46
Ellen Moore 43
Joseph Moore 16
Jane A Moore 12
John T Moore 10
Emily Moore 6
Fanny Moore 4
?????????????Samuel Butter 24 (reads Butler on census)

victoria, same really as what i asked june, is butler his mothers name or his, i know im a nightmare sorry x

wilma, yeah all the siblings names are the same but im confused as to where the butler is coming into it

to all, the sibling samuel i have on my tree was born in 1901, he was adopted out in the 1911 census as alfred was a widow by then, he was adopted to the people living next door name of bishop. ive yet to work out who they are. so the samuel that wilma mentions i dont know who he is

bear with me on this


Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
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Butler Samuel Dudley 18 448

Moore Fanny Dudley 18 448 Mother




1851

Name: Alfred Butter
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish: Cradley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butter 29
Frances Butter 25
Alfred Butter 6
Ann Butter 3
Sarah Butter 9 Mo







1861

Name: Alfred Butler
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cradley
Ecclesiastical parish: Halesowen
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 40
Frances Butler 35
*********Alfred Butler 16
Ann Butler 13
Sarah Butler 10
Matilda Butler 7
Joseph Butler 5
Emma Butler 2







1871

Name: Fanny Butler
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Rowley Regis
Ecclesiastical parish: Reddal Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Dudley
Sub registration district: Rowley Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 29
Fanny Butler 44
Matilda Butler 17
Joseph Butler 15
Emma Butler 12
Eli Butler 10
Enoch Butler 4
Saml Butler 3
Mary Ann Harper 34
Ann Harper 12
Benj Harper 6



June x

june, are you the lovely lady that helped me with my breeze ww1 resting place?

1881

Name: Samuel Butler
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Rowley Regis
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 15 Graingers Lane
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Labourer Ironworks

Registration district: Dudley
Sub registration district: Rowley Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 60
Eli Butler 19
Enoch Butler 14
*********Samuel Butler 14 brother that is with him in 1891


June x

Waves to Helen and happy easter

Glad to help again

looks like Fanny had Alfred before she married Samuel Butler
thats why he is Moore Butler


after he married he dropped the Butler


June x

omg june!! your amazing!! i did think to ask you last night but my comp went down and i took it as a sign not to bother you as your busy. bless your gorgeous heart thankyou so much. so am i right in thinking he had a double barreled name sort of thing then. alfred moore butler. his dad is samuel butler and his mother francis moore or have i got that wrong lol

OK what could have happened is that Alfred was born out of wedlock and he was registered as Alfred Moore

his mother then married Samuel Butler and he took on the name Butler in the census until after he was married when he reverted to Moore

suggest that you get the certificates of birth and marriage