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The Charles Place born in Durham in 1909 is indeed more likely to be your Charles than the Charles Addison I found.

In fact yes -- I searched for Charles Place in 1911 in Middlesbrough *born in Durham* and that's what he was.

Thanks EvieBeavie,

This looks like the right family. I will investigate these further!

Wilma - I never knew that Robert's first name was John!! I don't know why the spelling of the name has changed though,

Once again thank you all who have helped me solve some of the mystery about my ancestors. I will come back again when I get stuck LOL

I expect that's EDITH JANE (the census result does say EITH JANE). And that's your missing aunt?!

I'm not seeing a birth for an Edith Pla(i)ce, Addison, Lowery, Webley ... in the timeframe, i.e. registered in 1910 sometime.

AND

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Place John R Webley Middlesbro 9d 1126

Hmm. 1911:

PLACE CHARLES WILLIAM 1909 2 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding


edit -- yes yes yes!!!

The rest of the household is:

PLACE EITH JANE 1910 11 MONTHS Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
PLACE FRANCES 1885 26 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding
PLACE WILLIAM 1883 28 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding


I have no idea why I didn't find them before when searching for others in Frances's household.

I never thought of that Evie. Why would he then change his name to Plaice? and then my Uncle as well? The mystery deepens.

Yes you have found the right record for Charles. I may now look for Roberts birth under Addison as well.

Yes, I've been thinking William's name was actually Addison ...


Births Mar 1905
Addison Charles William Middlesbro' 9d 659


That looks like your uncle.

Is this your uncle's death?


Name: Charles William Plaice
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1987
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Central Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Volume: 3
Page: 1878

Hi EvieBeavie

I never thought of mistranscription. My Uncle Charlie married in 1930 to a Frances Pickering, in Middlesbrough. The family story is that he brought my father up after the death of their parents as my dad was only 8. I don't know how old he was at his death but will try and find that out and come back to you. As I said earlier have not been able to find his birth record either but I did find a Charles William Place born in Durham in 1909 so this may be him.

Jackie

You'd have to pay to access the 1911 details, but I wouldn't be surprised at a mistranscription or misspelling in the original.

I don't think it could be someone your uncle Charlie married -- married in 1911?

Can you give us any more details about him?

Hi EvieBeavie

I don't think that is the right Frances as the surname is spelt different. My Uncle Charlie also married a Frances so this one might be her.

1911 census

PLACE FRANCES F 1885 26 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding

No one named Place is living with her. But I wonder whether she and William weren't already living together at that point.


Births Sep 1885
Webley Frances Mary Richmond, Y. 9d 673

Hi EavieBeavie

You are right. I will have to get the marriage certificate and hopefully go from there.

This has become really interesting as my siblings and I grew up without really knowing either side of our parents families, except for my grandparents on the Roper side.

Jackie

Jacqueline, you really have to get the 1918 marriage cert to get a handle on William's details -- age, occupation, father. That's the only way you can know whether he is likely the William who died in 1920.

It seems like he wasn't.

The William who enrolled in 1915, and gave Frances as his next of kin, was 34 years old, i.e. born c. 1880-1.

The William who died in 1920 was 50 years old, i.e. born c1870. That doesn't match.

Hi EavieBeavie

On my father's birth certificate there is no father's name. This is were it really goes awry. It does look as though we will have to concentrate on his mother's side of the family. I grew up with thw knowledge that my dad had 2 brothers and one sister. We have found the sister but not the brother, his name was Charles Plaice and he lived in Middlesbrough and died about 1987. This is another birth record I can't find.

I am also finding lots out on my mother's side of the family, Roper, although there are wide gaps in this one as well.

Anyway once again thanks for all your help.

Jackie

To put that together: died in 1920 at age 50. So born c1870.

So the Plaice-Webley birth in 1925 could not be his son. Odd coincidence of names though.


Oops, crossed in the post. William Addison Plaice is stated as your dad's father on his birth cert?

Hi Everyone

Harry J Plaice is my father. The mystery we have is if we are correct and William Plaice died in 1920 then he cannot have been my dad's dad!! Mu dad's middle name is Jackson so I wonder if she may have had a relationship with someone called Jackson. My dad was actually born in December 1924.

Many thanks to everyone.

Jackie

Sorry I was away from my computer for a while. William A Plaice's age at date of death in M'Bro was 50. He did indeed marry Frances Mary Lowery in 1918. I have looked through the bmd's on this site and free bmd but cannot trace his birth at all. In 1901 census I have found a William Plaice but living in London.

Thank you all for your help it is much appreciated.

Beat me to that Lowery-Webley marriage!

Births Mar 1925
Plaice Harry J (mother Webley) Middlesbro' 9d 871

I've PMed Jacqueline to ask her to return to her thread.

Jacqueline, could you please offer up the info you have?