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Anne -- what I was saying at the top of the page there is that the "Reuben Kater" in 1841 was really Reuben SLATER.

Ancestry has transcribed apparently hundreds of SLATERs as KATER.

As for the other country bit -- did nobody else see this Reuben Cater in all those searches?!

1851

Name: Reuben Cater
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjn
Mother's Name: Bluma
> Where born: Germany
Occupation: Cigar Maker Journeyman

Civil Parish: St Botolph Aldgate
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: East London

Benjn Cater 48
Bluma Cater 45
Reuben Cater 22
Michael Cater 20
Cecelia Cater 18
Lewis Cater 16
Phillip Cater 14
Sarah Cater 12
John Cater 10
Emanuel Cater 8
Margaret Rass 14


Problem is, I'm not at all sure the surname is Cater. There's a blank bit. It looks like Cat__, but I don't know what. The annoying thing is that the blank bit actually looks like a tiny scrap of paper covering that part of the image.


There's this guy in 1861:

Name: Reuben Waber
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Where born: Germany
Civil Parish: Whitechapel

That's how the name reads, but I suspect it's Weber, pronounced Vayber, or maybe Wayber for local consumption.

But -- looking on the same 1861 page, Cohens caught my eye. I think that's perhaps what the 1851 name is. Benjamin, Bluma and Emanuel, for example, are quite Jewish names.

One more red herring snuffed out.

I keep reading this thread in the vain hope that someone has solved the puzzle...but no........

I must have spent at least an hour last night tapping Reuben, Rubin, Ruben, Reuven etc into Ancestry but no luck.

Did a search by occupation on the 81 for a veterinary surgeon but no luck either......

Plodding on..will keep checking back.

Unfortunately I have no contact with my relations from my grandfather's side of the family.I know Evelyn was alive in1940's as my Dad had met her but I don't know her date of death.

Anne

Hi Anne & Evie,

What do you think to the possibilty that;

A, Rueben was from another country???

B, Evelyn just changed her pre married name etc... because of reasons unknown.


I've turned this upside down, inside and even lay awake last night trying to get a firm hold on it... but still no joy. Evelyn just seems to appear from nowhere!!!!!!!!

I hate to say it but I don't think this little lady is going to be found.

Sorry to have been a "wet blanket" with little Evelina, so sad.

Anyway, do you know when Evelyn died??? If so we could hopefully find a birth date for her and try and track her that way????


Dee x

What a shame! I thought you had found Evelyn.The Reuben Kator in the1841 census is interesting as it is the right area if Evelyn was born in Hull Yorkshire as stated on 1901 census.

Aargh, I was about to beat myself with a phonics workbook -- may still do it, but that one is actually a SLATER.

As may be seen when one consults the image. Thomas's occupation is also Slater. ;)

There are lots of Katers to consider, nonetheless.

Although ... I'd bet that most of them are actually Slaters (as all Shongs are Strongs, etc.), given the number of Katers who have been corrected to Slater by Ancestry users.

1841 ????

Name: Reuben Kater
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
Hundred: Morley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

View Image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Horton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Kater 25
Elizabeth Kater 20
Reuben Kater 2

Wot a wet blanket you are, Dee.

Hi Anne & Evie,

Found a death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
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CATOR Evelina 1 Dewsbury 9b 515



Sad to rule that 1 out, back to the drawing board, again!!!!

This little lady is giving us the run around............ just having a look about again.


Dee x

Hi Anne -- I don't think that Evelina Cater was Hetty/Etty's sister, because this is the household in 1891:

John Cater 50 - Colliery Steward (Mine Service)
Hannah Cater 51
John Cater 20
David Cater 16
Rose E. Cater 14
Samuel Cater 9
Etty Cater 6 - daughter

and next door are:

Isaac Cater 23 - Colliery Steward (Mine Service)
Elizabeth Cater 22
John W. Cater 1

all in

Civil Parish: Soothill
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Dewsbury


This is that family in 1871

John Cater 40
Hannah Cater 41
Isaac Cater 13
Emiley Cater 12
Mary Cater 8
John Cater 10
David Cater 6
Rose Hannah Cater 3

in

Town: Normanton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Wakefield


and in 1861

John Cater 31
Hannah Cater 32
Ellen Cater 8
Isaac Cater 4
Emily Cater 2
John Cater 5 Mo

in

Civil Parish: Attercliffe and Darnall
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Sheffield


The family originated from Warwickshire.

I don't see anything that looks like a marriage or death for daughter Ellen Cater, born abt 1853. But I also don't see her in 1871, or any Ellen in Yorkshire who fits her specs.

The witnesses on the marriage certificate were Sarah Hammond and Herbert James Perry.

Anne

I see that Arthur C on the 1901 census is actually Arthur Cedric.... so presumably there maybe some truth in the marriage certificate????

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate???

Dee x

Do you think Hetty Cater whose parents were John and Hannah was Evelina's sister and they had the same parents?

Cater events in Dewsbury 1871-1881

Evelina born 1873

Hetty born 1874 - Etty in censuses, daughter of John and Hannah

Priscilla, born and died 1876

Frank born 1876

Isaac married 1877 (big brother of Hetty/Etty, from 1881 census proximity)

Emma married 1878

Willie died 1879 age 2 (birth? Frank?)

Clara born 1879
John Willie born 1879 - son of Isaac who married
(one page apart; could be twins? but only John is in 1881 with Isaac)

Ethel born Dec 1881


I can't find Evelina in 1881. Or Clara.

So after all my babbling about old-fashioned names ...


Births Jun 1873
Cater Evelina Dewsbury 9b 731


I seem to have disregarded this one.

If she was born in April 1873, she would have been 25 when she married.

I'm liking this girl for the job.

She seems to have taken a shine to the name Beryl -- it was daughter Ivy's middle name?

A GR member named Shelly has that whole passel of Stannus-s in her tree here.

Just search for surname Stannus born 1850 +/- 50 years. The ones born in the 1830s and 40s with no places of birth shown are the ones in Ecclesall Bierlow in the censuses. Hugh Hutton Stannus 1840 ends up in London as an "Architect Painter Sculptor & Ornamentist" in 1881.

She might be able to tell you something about the Stannus name in Yorkshire.


Meanwhile -- your Evelyn's groom is a general labourer in 1901, but her father was a veterinary surgeon. ? There's just a bit of dissonance there. It surely would be interesting to know what Evelyn's childhood circumstances were.

Search the IGI for surname Stannus, no other criteria.

The results are almost entirely Irish.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

I'm poking around at a family of Stannus-s in Yorkshire in 1851-71.

Mother Jane, born 1803 Belfast, died 1875; father Bartholomew, born 1803 Ireland. They appear in censuses variously as Stanners, Stannas, Staunus. And they have daughters.

There are names like Ephraim in the clan. Reuben would fit right in. ;)

Not having much luck tracking them past 1861 though.

It wasn't uncommon for a father's name on a marriage certificate to be an amalgam of different people -- a real father's given name, a stepfather's surname, vice versa, a maternal grandfather's name, an occupation from one, a name from another ...

I wondered if Stannus might have been her original surname but like you I could not find anything that remotely matched. Idon't know what to try next.
Regards
Anne