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I wonder if anyone can help? I am trying to find the date of marriage of my great x 3 grandfatherJean-Louis (John Lewis) Gabriel Charles Meyer (born c1800 (France)) who married a Rose Barroux, presumably some time before their first child Alphonsine Violette was born in 1831 in Edinburgh (all info obtained via IGI). I am guessing the marriage would have been in Edinburgh.

Jean-Louis Gabriel Charles Meyer was, until recently, thought to be just plain old Charles Meyer. I am also trying to find the date of marriage of Jean-Louis' second child, my great x 2 grandfather, Charles Theodore Hippolyte Meyer (super name!) born 26 Mar 1833 Edinburgh who married an Irish woman Ellen born c1826 (according to the 1871 census). Presumably they married before the birth of their first child Charles G Meyer, in Knaresborough/ Harrogate Yorkshire in 1860.

Any help or pointers gratefully received. I have scoured all the websites as much as I can but don't have a subscription to Ancestry and BMD and pay-to-view is proving very expensive when I don't know precise dates. Very many thanks in anticipation.

Alphonsine birth is on Scotlands People 23 July 1831 county/district Edinburgh City parish Edinburgh.

Marriage for a Charles Meyer on 22 May 1852 in the same county and parish but you will have to buy credits to view the entry to see if it is the correct one.



Jackie

Can't help with your questions but here is the 1861.


1861 England Census
about Charles T Meyer
Name: Charles T Meyer
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Clemence
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh, Scotland

Civil Parish: Bilton With Harrogate
Ecclesiastical parish: High Harrogate
Town: Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 21 Regent Parade

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 14b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Meyer 69 head, silk mercer, b Paris
Clemence Meyer 28 wife, dressmaker, b Paris
Charles T Meyer 28 silk mercer
Gabriel Meyer 4 son, b Manchester
Napoleon Meyer 2 son, b Harrogate
Edward Meyer 1 son, b Harrogate
Anna M Smith 39 boarder
Maria Thomas 19 boarder
Harriett Snowdon 30 servant
Fanny Steele 70 servant
Jane Ingleson 15 servant



His wife staying with her sister in law.



1861 Scotland Census
about Ellen Meyer
Name: Ellen Meyer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: County Meath, Ireland
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 200 Sauchiehall St
Occupation: Milliner
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1861_105
Household Members:
Name Age
Violet Meyer 29 head b Edinburgh, dressmaker
Louis E Leteny 22 Mo nephew, b Glasgow
Ellen Meyer 25
Charles G Meyer 18 Mo nephew, b Glasgow
Christina Dick 14 servant




1871 England Census
about Charles T Meyer
Name: Charles T Meyer
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Bilton With Harrogate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Park Parade

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles T Meyer 39
Ellen Meyer 36
Edward Meyer 8 b Scotland
Violet Meyer 7 b Harrogate
Rose Meyer 5
Ellen Meyer 2
Phillip A Meyer 3 months
Laura Letens 36 sister, b Edinburgh
Louis Leten 11 nephew, b France
Charles Leten 7 nephew, b France
Francis Leten 4 nephew, b France
Susan Cheatle 30
Ruth Curteis 23
Jane Murphy 22
Jemima Yates 22

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1881 England Census
about Charles T. Meyer
Name: Charles T. Meyer
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland

Civil Parish: Bilton Cum Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 27 Park Parade
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Silk Mercer (Mcht)

Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles T. Meyer 49
Ellen Meyer 46
Charles G. Meyer 21
Helen Meyer 12
Philip A. Meyer 10
Marie M. Meyer 8
Henry W. Meyer 6
Catherine L. Meyer 4
Francis J. Meyer 2
Terisa Kerrigan 26
Sarah Schofield 25
Mary Brown 17


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1891 England Census
about Charles L Meyer
Name: Charles L Meyer
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Bilton With Harrogate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles L Meyer 58
Rose E Meyer 25 daughter, b Harrogate
Laura Leteux 55 sister, b Edinburgh
Henry W Meyer 16 son, b Harrogate
Harriet Hodgson 19 servant

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Charles snr.


1851 Scotland Census
about Charles Meyer
Name: Charles Meyer
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: France
Parish Number: 685/1
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St George
County: Midlothian
Address: 95 George St
Occupation: Silk Meicer Master
ED: 17A
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 17
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1851_181
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Meyer 48
Violet Meyer 18 b Edinborough
Laura Meyer 14 b Edinborough
Selina Green 36 lodger
Ann Gordon 20 servant
Elizabeth McDuff 18 servant

Hello all,

Many thanks for the help

Jacqueline - thank you for the info re Alphonsine which unfortunately I already had. However, I didnt have the info re the marriage of her father so I will buy credits for Scotlands People - it looks promising.

Alviegal - thanks for that - I didnt have some of that info but the mothers name of Clemence has confused me somewhat as the births of certainly their first two children show their mother's name to be Rose Barroux! and I've never heard of Gabriel, Napoleon or Edward! I did ascertain yesterday that Rose Barroux died some time after the birth of the third child, Louisa Laura Meyer in 1837, and that he married another lady Eugenie Armspert/armspach and had certainly one child from that marriage - John Henry Phillip Meyer 1842. Perhaps Gabriel, Napoleon and Edward were children from the second marriage. If so, that's brilliant. I must therefore assume that Eugenie is also Clemence! It will take me a while to digest all this!

Thank you both very much indeed. I seem to have been sent off on another branch of the tree!!

Sally

Birth of Charles G. Are you sure he was born in Yorkshire?


CHARLES GEORGE MEYER Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
21 SEP 1859 Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Christening:
Death:

Burial:

Parents:
Father: CHARLES THODORE MEYER Family
Mother: ELLEN WILKINSON



Liz

This is a task for AOGG - Where are you AOGG ???

She is a whizz at this sort of puzzle!!!!!!!!!

Dea x

Alviegal

You're my hero! Now I know more about Charles G Meyer but also the maiden name of his mother. Brilliant!

many many thanks.

You've probably discovered that there are loads of Meyers in the Harrogate area in the census' - all of them are related I think - it just needs putting altogether!

Sally

Sally

The earlier date I gave you I presumed was perhaps a marriage for the brother.
Charles second marriage could be 13 May 1842 same parish and district if you key in

male surname Meyer
first Charles
Spouse arm* using the wildcard to allow for different spellings there is a marriage on this date

Jackie

Hello Sally
The Leeds Mercury feb 14th 1891
Meyer on th 11th ins at James Street Harrogate the wife of Charles G Meyer a son

Leeds Mercury Feb 16th 1889
on the 10th Feb at Malix Terrace Harrogate the wife of Charles G Meyer a son

and this one I do not know if it is yours
The Pall Mall Gazette October 2nd 1874
at Combe Hay Church Bath Mr. Charles Meyer of Casterbury N.Z. to Ellen M daughter of the late Rev C.C.Layard Rector of Combe Hay Somerset

lots more references to Meyer but I am a 1 fingered typist

Jacqueline,

Hi, I've just been on Scotlands People, paid credits, and obtained the following info

13/05/1852 Charles Meyer married Eugenie Armspach/FR6023
22/05/1852 Charles Meyer married Emma Francis/Baldwin FR7139.

Without obtaining the certificates, which I'll have to do, I know that the top entry is my (Jean-Louis Gabriel) Charles Meyer's second marriage. Heaven knows what the second entry is - perhaps it is a third marriage!?! It can't be his son Charles Theodore Hippolyte's marriage because I know that he married Ellen Wilkinson some time before the birth of their first child Charles G Meyer in 1859. Unless, perhaps, he married Emma Francis/Baldwin before marrying Ellen Wilkinson?!

The plot thickens. Is it any wonder my hubby wonders why the house always needs cleaning/dusting etc!!>!

Sally

Hello Quoy

Thanks for that - you do well for a one fingered typist - keep going!

The Leeds Paper info is brilliant! Two new addresses I didnt have

Dont know the connection to Somerset yet! Looks as though that Meyer was from New Zealand. Mine appears to be from France - family lore is that it was Alsace Lorraine.

Jaqueline -

I have paid to view on Scotlands People and got a super printout of the banns for Charles (Jean-Louis) and Eugenie in 1842. Thinking about this more deeply, Eugenie was shown as single but living in the same house in Harrogate in 1841. They got married in 1842 in Edinburgh! . The second marriage of a Charles Meyer to Emma Frances Baldwin has confused me. As Charles seemed to go back to Edinburgh to marry his second wife Eugenie, then perhaps he did it again and married Emma Frances Baldwin there in 1852. However, she doesnt show on any census' which makes me think that perhaps it isnt the same Charles Meyer. I'm not sure how I can pin this one down. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

By the way, thanks again to you all for your super help.

Sally

Sally, there is also this birth in Glasgow.

EDWARD LOUIS MEYER Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
11 SEP 1862 Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: CHARLES THEODORE MEYER Family
Mother: ELLEN WILKINSON



Liz

Liz

Your last posting has confused me more. I had Edward Meyer as being born in Jan-March 1860 (from FreeBMD – Mar 1860 Vol 9a, Page 104) although admittedly I havent asked for a copy of the certificate. The 1881 census stated he was born in Scotland in 1863. I had presumed this was just due to the usual problem of incorrect ages on census returns.

However, now we have a date of 11 SEP 1862 Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland for him.

CONFUSED!

1891 England Census
about Charles George Meyer
Name: Charles George Meyer
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Scotland

Civil Parish: Bilton With Harrogate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 3 James Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
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Household Members:
Name Age
Charles George Meyer 31 draper's ass
Mary Jane Meyer 30 b Dublin
Charles Edward Meyer 2 b Harrogate
Francis Henry Meyer 1
John Frederick Meyer 1/12
Emily Agnes Rickard 25 boarder
Elizabeth Weedblad 45 servant
Chuskana Benson 20 servant
Margaret Halpert 19

This matches the first address Quoy found for you. It also reinforces the Birth for Charles George.




1901 England Census
about Charles G Meyer
Name: Charles G Meyer
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Harrogate
Ecclesiastical parish: Harrogate St Mark
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 7 South Drive

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles G Meyer 41 shopkeeper, draper, b Scotland not Ireland
Charles E Meyer 12
Francis A Meyer 11
John F Meyer 10
Robert P Meyer 8
Joseph F Meyer 6
Mary E Meyer 2
Rose E Meyer 35 sister, governess
Marie M Meyer 28 sister, dressmaker
Susan Milligan 24 servant

Mary J Meyer, 40, wife b Ireland, is also on the image but not transcribed. Everyone else born Harrogate.


Don't know if this is his marriage? Right time but wrong area. I think you have quite a few certificates to order to sort this lot out!

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Charles George Meyer 1887 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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John Reardon 1887 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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Catherine Sheehan 1887 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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Mary Jane S Wall 1887 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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Don't know if this fits in your tree anywhere. It's just that unusual name again.


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Edith Fairclough 1889 Toxteth Park Lancashire
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Mary Johns 1889 Toxteth Park Lancashire
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Richard Lewis 1889 Toxteth Park Lancashire
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Charles Hippolyte Meyer 1889 Toxteth Park Lancashire


Here's abetter one.


Name: Charles Hippolyte Meyer
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1864
Age: 25
Father's Name: William Edward Meyer
Spouse's Name: Edith Fairclough
Spouse's Age: 29
Spouse's Father's Name: Edward Fairclough
Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1889
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Sally, I think the Edward Meyer birth you found in 1860 is the one on the 1861 census, son of Charles and Clemence. Perhaps they all returned to France when Charles died? Have you found his death? Again certificates are the answer.

Liz

I think I'm spreading my net too wide too fast!

I'm busy writing inputting all the census info and then will try to work out where all the other names fit in. Seems odd that Gabriel, Napoleon and Edward (perhaps children from the third marriage (after Rose Barroux and Eugenie Armspach) have never been mentioned or seen since.

Charles (ie Jean-Louis Gabriel Charles Meyer) died 1872 in Harrogate. I've a photo of his MI. His older son Charles Theodore Hippolyte Meyer (half brother to the Gabriel Napoleon and Edward I think) didnt die until 1897 in Ilkley. Surely the three younger children (as above) would have been seen on the 1871 census before they went to France (if indeed they did).

Sally

Sally

found this on family search

EMMA FRANCES BALDWIN Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: HENRY BALDWIN Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLES MEYER Family
Marriage: 22 MAY 1852 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland


Emmas's father was called Henry and if they were following the pattern for naming children after fathers one would have the name too. Unfortunately I cannot remember if it is his father that the first child is named after and then hers for the second, but I noted that there is a Henry Meyer on one of the census.

Jackie

Signing out - thank you all so much for your help.

very much appreciated.

I will collate a list of certificates and start saving the pennies.

Sally