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Will do....Thanks for everything. I think you deserve a tea - break after all that.

Take care
Carole xx

Ok Carole, Let us know when you get a later Birth Cert--I would love to know what it says

All the best
Barbara xx

It's all worth filing.........you never know !!

Thanks Barbara

Another MAY BE marriage

Marriages Mar (quarter) 1898
>>>>Carpous Barnett Whitechapel 1c 397

Cohen Jessie Whitechapel 1c 397

Finkelstein Nathan Whitechapel 1c 397

>>>>Levy Jane Whitechapel 1c 397


I don't know for sure, of course, if this Jane did marry this Barnett

Barbara....Yes those are the three. I've just noticed the Zelda as maiden name on Oscars' birth instead of Levy !!!! I wondered what the Z was after Janes name on the death index.

I'm going to do as you say and send for a cert. for one of the latter births, otherwise I shall be signing myself in at an asylum somewhere !!

I didn't anticipate gaining all of the extra information other than Jane & Barnett's deaths. I am so pleased, and you've been such a great help to me....I can't thank you enough.

Take care
Carole
xx

Sorry, Carole, I must have been tyeping the same time as you !!! be back with you in a min..

Hi Carole.
I guess you mean these 3 births ??

Births Mar 1912
Saxony Hyman
-Mothers maiden name-- Levy
Bethnal G. 1c 336

Saxony Samuel
Mothers maiden name--Levy
-- Bethnal G. 1c 336

Births Jun 1916
Saxony Oscar
Mothers Maiden name---Zelda
Bethnal G. 1c 307

Now these top two would tie up with the marriage for Jacob and Janes marriage that Shirley found !!! and yet Barnett seems to have continued with BARNETT all the time--so confusing !!

The best bet would be to send for a birth cert that you definatley know belongs to the family you are looking for , and all SHOULD be revealed

Barbara ....I have the birth Cert. for Rosie. Her mum was entered as Jane Saxony formerly Levy.

Carole X

Hi Barbara,

Yes there were 3 other children born after Rosie. Hyman b Dec 1911 +Twin bro. Samuel, and Oscar b 1916. All births registered at Bethnal Green.

Like you, I have a hunch that the parents may have married in Russia/Poland.

Unless they had another alias ! Hope not !!

Have you got any of the childrens Birth certificates ?? Just a thought---but don't know if it will really help as the names seem to be altered quite a bit---most likley because of accent. However Janes maiden name SHOULD be on the birth cert for the children.
Barbara xx

Hi Shirley...I did toy with that marriage of Jane Levy + Jacob Sassieni and wondered whether Barnett was originally a Jacob. Now I'm just not sure !

I--Like Shirley--have been trying to find a marriage for Barnett and Jane--Do you think they may have married in England, Carole ? Do you know if they had anymore children after Rose born c1906 (as on 1911 census ) ?

Barbara
...You are absolutely brilliant ! I tried alternative names, and never ever would have come up with that. It looks like a few porkies have been told along the way with their ages, but in those days it seemed to be the norm !.

I am over the moon .... Thanks so much for taking the time to help me.

Carole

do you think Barnett could have been originally Jacob
Marriages Mar 1898

Defries Johanna Whitechapel 1c 407
Isenstein Harry Whitechapel 1c 407
Levy Jane Whitechapel 1c 407
Sassieni Jacob Whitechapel 1c 407

so Lottie could have been registerd as Sassieni
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Births Sep 1900

Sassieni Nathan London C. 1c 3

I these are the ones on the 1901 census---(Changed name again ?) It does seem to "tally" with the 1911 census


Name: Barnet Seigsee
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Russia Russian Subject

Civil Parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 21 Grove Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St George in the East
Sub registration district: St George North
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 177
Household Members:
Name Age
Barnet Seigsee 28
Jane Seigsee 27
Lottie Seigsee 4
Annie Seigsee 2
Nathan Seigsee 6 months

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 311; Folio: 20; Page: 31.

What do you think ?? Lottie, Annie ant NATTY (as he is put in the 1911 census) seem to match up.??? although Barnett and Jane seems to have taken a few years off on the 1911

Barbara.....I ought to have added that the 3rd child born Nathan Sept. 1900, was registered as Nathan Sassieni.

This would have sounded very much like Saxony spoken with a foreign tongue !!

Lottie Saxony was b 14:5:1898. On the 1911 census it gives her place of birth as Shoreditch. She doesn't appear on the freeBMD site.

Annie Saxony was born 1899 Bethnal Green. That was the FreeBMD site.

What was the name of their first born ??

Hi Barbara,

I'm sure that must be the right Barnett Saxony. Thankfully it's not too common a surname, and the era sounds promising.

I've looked on the FreeBMD site and there was nothing on there. That gives info till the late 1920's - early 30's, so I'm sure we have the right person.

They are quite an evasive couple , appearing on the 1911 census with their children, the 1st one having been born in London before the 1901, and yet I've never located them on that census.

I just appreciate that you've found me something concrete to start on.

Your welcome, Carole--do you think its the right index for Barnett or do you want me to look further ?