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I have asked before but unfortunatly I was looking for the wrong people. The people I need are James Hardie (born approx 1852) and Elizabeth Russel born about the same time but not 100% sure. These were born in Scotland. I am sure these are the people I need this time. I really do appreciate your help and am truly sorry that I got everything wrong the first time around. I hope some one can giv me some help.

Lesley,

On Scotlands People website which you can search on a pay for credits system ( £6 for 30 credits) there are 16 James Hardie's born in Scotland between 1851 and 1853.

You could try Family Search but there are even more births on there for James Hardie's in Scotland. No way of knowing which one if any is yours.

Did this couple marry??

Betty

If they did marry this could be their marriage?

Husband
JAMES HARDIE Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 27 JUL 1867 Culsalmond, Aberdeen, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

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Wife
ELIZABETH RUSSELL Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 27 JUL 1867 Culsalmond, Aberdeen, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Possible for James but the marriage certificate from scotlandspeople will tell you his parents names.


JAMES HARDIE Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
20 FEB 1848
Christening:
05 MAR 1848 Culsalmond, Aberdeen, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HARDIE Family
Mother: JANE WIGHT


Liz


Possibly not as he doesn't seem to have a wife yet.
What do you know about him?


1871 Scotland Census
about James Hardy
Name: James Hardy
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Head
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Culsamond, Abedash
Registration Number: 186
Registration district: Culsamond
Civil Parish: Culsamond
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Stewtre Garesin
Occupation: Gardener
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_37
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hardy 23
Jane Hardy mother
Eliza G Hardy 15 niece

Have no more details but I know they had sons called William, George,James all born in Scotland and Jane and Mary born in Treales and then John born in Blackpool. (1891 England Census)

Lesley,

Where in Scotland were the children William, George and James born and what years were they born in Scotland?.

If you get just one of the childrens births on Scotlands People it will tell you where and when the parents married. Then you can check for the marriage on Scotlands People and this would give both James Hardie and Elizabeth Rissel's parents names for you to work backward.

Betty

Is this the family in the 1881 census?

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James HARDIE Head M Male 38 Scotland General Lab
Elizabeth HARDIE Wife M Female 46 Scotland
William HARDIE Son U Male 13 Scotland Scholar
George HARDIE Son Male 11 Scotland Scholar
James HARDIE Son Male 10 Scotland Scholar
Agnes HARDIE Daur Female 8 Kirkham, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary A. HARDIE Daur Female 7 Kirkham, Lancashire, England Scholar
John R. HARDIE Son Male 5 Blackpool, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 15 Thomas St
Census Place Layton With Warbreck, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342017
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4253 / 72
Page Number 13

This appears to be the 1871 for them.


1871 Scotland Census
about William Hardie
Name: William Hardie
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: St Cuthbert, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 226
Registration district: Newhills
Civil Parish: Newhills
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 43 Auchmill
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1871_41
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hardie 29 b Cruden, Aberdeenshire, carter
Elizabeth Hardie 35 b Culsalmond, aberdeenshire
William Hardie 3
George Hardie 1 b Bathgate, Linlithgow
James D Hardie 3 Mo b Newhills, Aberdeenshire



WILLIAM HARDIE Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
27 JAN 1868 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES HARDIE Family
Mother: ELIZABETH RUSSELL




GEORGE HARDIE Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
04 APR 1869 Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES HARDIE Family
Mother: ELIZABETH RUSSELL



JAMES DUNCAN HARDIE Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
02 DEC 1870 Newhills, Aberdeen, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES HARDIE Family
Mother: ELIZABETH RUSSEL


Liz

Possible Elizabeth with her parents and 3 of her children? You really do need to see her marriage certificate.


1861 Scotland Census
about Elizabeth Russel
Name: Elizabeth Russel
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexander
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Culsalmond, Abdn
Registration Number: 186
Registration district: Culsamond
Civil Parish: Culsamond
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Seats Of Newton
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 46
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_27
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Russel 54
Elizabeth Russel 48
Elizabeth Russel 26
James D Russel 5
Alexander Rattray 3
Eliabeth Ranel Ray 2 Mo

There is a birth in 1869 for George Hardie district Bathgate West Lothian. 1870 James Hardie Newhills Aberdeen. Cruden Aberdeen . on Scotlands People

also James HARDY birth 2 May 1841 Cruden Aberdeen

marriage 1867 James HARDIE and Elizabeth Russell Culsamond Aberdeen

all the actual images will be available to view

Jackie

The James Hardie b 20th Feb 1848 in Culsalmond reported by Alviegal is not the person you are looking for.

He was the second youngest brother of my great grandfather Frances William Hardie. He inherited the gardeners cottage at Newton house after the death of his father William Hardie in 1870. He then married a servant from Newton House Jane Nichol in 1872. They had two children Lizzie and George. Lizzie married and moved to Tain in Ross and Cromarty where she was still living in 1915. George's fate is unknown. James Hardie died of TB in Culsalmond on 18th February 1877.

My family has no connection with Blackpool or Preston. Sorry but this one is a red herring.

However if anyone has anymore information about James Hardie's mother Jane Wight I would be delighted to hear from them.

Neil

Have you contacted Lesley ?

GB

Neil and GB,
Did you both notice that this was from 2009, so a pm might be needed?

Neil,
You could start a new thread setting out your family information for people to help you.